Condaleeza Squirms....
Dec 12th 2005, 3:21 pm
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Re: Condaleeza Squirms....
Originally Posted by Dimsie
My husband keeps telling me "It wasn't always like this" .
Dec 12th 2005, 4:15 pm
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Re: Condaleeza Squirms....
Originally Posted by Dimsie
I think the rest of the world has been shouting "SHAME !" for quite a while.
It's like living in a continually unfolding Chamber of Horrors here just now.
My husband keeps telling me "It wasn't always like this" .
It's like living in a continually unfolding Chamber of Horrors here just now.
My husband keeps telling me "It wasn't always like this" .
Its been like it for 30 years. People are listening now.
Dec 12th 2005, 4:42 pm
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Re: Condaleeza Squirms....
Originally Posted by Chorlton
Its been like it for 30 years. People are listening now.
Problem is: who's is checking on the US that they do not torture prisoners, eh?
Dec 12th 2005, 4:45 pm
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Re: Condaleeza Squirms....
Originally Posted by Chorlton
Its been like it for 30 years. People are listening now.
Dec 12th 2005, 4:51 pm
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Re: Condaleeza Squirms....
Originally Posted by Hiro11
Yeah, the rest of the world is now listening and stating that torture is justified in extraordinary cases.
Here's a nice story for you:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...664174,00.html
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Dec 12th 2005, 5:06 pm
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Re: Condaleeza Squirms....
Originally Posted by Hiro11
Yeah, the rest of the world is now listening and stating that torture is justified in extraordinary cases.
Hmmmmm - and look at the ad to the right "Patriotic Song Collection" - it's not difficult to work out who conducted that poll. I'll bet a poll could be taken to prove the exact opposite.
Dec 12th 2005, 5:22 pm
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Re: Condaleeza Squirms....
The more I read, the more horrified I become! I used to think the Japanese held top place for cruelty and inhumanity in war, now I'm changing my mind. :scared:
Dec 12th 2005, 5:27 pm
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Re: Condaleeza Squirms....
Originally Posted by Dimsie
The more I read, the more horrified I become! I used to think the Japanese held top place for cruelty and inhumanity in war, now I'm changing my mind. :scared:
And again I add that this sort of torture, excepting culture-specifics like Koran-flushing, has been going on in America's prisons unchecked for decades. If it's good enough to use at home against one's own citizens, then why fuss about using it overseas?
Dec 12th 2005, 5:40 pm
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Re: Condaleeza Squirms....
Originally Posted by snowbunny
Erm..... I don't think we're that bad, or as bad as Germany in WWII, but we are certainly worse than the ideals that emerged post WWII.
And again I add that this sort of torture, excepting culture-specifics like Koran-flushing, has been going on in America's prisons unchecked for decades. If it's good enough to use at home against one's own citizens, then why fuss about using it overseas?
And again I add that this sort of torture, excepting culture-specifics like Koran-flushing, has been going on in America's prisons unchecked for decades. If it's good enough to use at home against one's own citizens, then why fuss about using it overseas?
Perhaps not as bad, but considering the world has moved on 60 years, SOME lessons ought to have been learned.
It's OK - I'm in my cyclic Anti-American mode just now - the Moon must be full!
Dec 12th 2005, 5:46 pm
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Re: Condaleeza Squirms....
Originally Posted by snowbunny
Erm..... I don't think we're that bad, or as bad as Germany in WWII, but we are certainly worse than the ideals that emerged post WWII.
And again I add that this sort of torture, excepting culture-specifics like Koran-flushing, has been going on in America's prisons unchecked for decades. If it's good enough to use at home against one's own citizens, then why fuss about using it overseas?
And again I add that this sort of torture, excepting culture-specifics like Koran-flushing, has been going on in America's prisons unchecked for decades. If it's good enough to use at home against one's own citizens, then why fuss about using it overseas?
Well I guess for arguements sake, the prisons are full of people who have been proven guilty, while those being tortured now have probably not even seen a lawyer yet.
Dec 12th 2005, 5:48 pm
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Re: Condaleeza Squirms....
Originally Posted by Dimsie
Perhaps not as bad, but considering the world has moved on 60 years, SOME lessons ought to have been learned.
It's OK - I'm in my cyclic Anti-American mode just now - the Moon must be full!
It's OK - I'm in my cyclic Anti-American mode just now - the Moon must be full!
Sixty years on, I consider it a shame if we even have to debate whether torture is allowable.
Dec 12th 2005, 6:26 pm
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Re: Condaleeza Squirms....
Originally Posted by Chorlton
Well I guess for arguements sake, the prisons are full of people who have been proven guilty, while those being tortured now have probably not even seen a lawyer yet.
Presumably torture is used to get someone to admit guilt or to collude with the government to catch other criminals. Seems like if you can justify it in one situation, you could in another, but a tortured coerced confession would be thrown out in US criminal court.
