Class 2 NI. What about us poor expats paying voluntary contributions?
#511
Re: Class 2 NI abolished. What about us poor expats paying voluntary contributio
Regardless of the class, I believe that you can only buy the previous 2 NI years at the rate current in that year. All years prior to that are at the current rates.
#512
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Re: Class 2 NI abolished. What about us poor expats paying voluntary contributio
Does anyone know the Class 2 rates for 2016/17 to 2022/23?
The Class 3 rates are shown in my NI record and have been uprated to the current rate for years before the current and previous two years. Are the Class 2 rates uprated the same way?
Class 3 Rates: as of 2023-03-11
Tax Year Yearly Weekly Historical
2022 2023 824.20 15.85 15.85
2021 2022 800.80 15.40 15.40
2020 2021 795.60 15.30 15.30
2019 2020 824.20 15.85 15.00
2018 2019 824.20 15.85 14.65
2017 2018 824.20 15.85 14.25
2016 2017 824.20 15.85 14.10
For reference there is an HMRC document out these called "table-a4.ods" that list all the historical rates. Just Google it to find it.
The Class 3 rates are shown in my NI record and have been uprated to the current rate for years before the current and previous two years. Are the Class 2 rates uprated the same way?
Class 3 Rates: as of 2023-03-11
Tax Year Yearly Weekly Historical
2022 2023 824.20 15.85 15.85
2021 2022 800.80 15.40 15.40
2020 2021 795.60 15.30 15.30
2019 2020 824.20 15.85 15.00
2018 2019 824.20 15.85 14.65
2017 2018 824.20 15.85 14.25
2016 2017 824.20 15.85 14.10
For reference there is an HMRC document out these called "table-a4.ods" that list all the historical rates. Just Google it to find it.
#513
Re: Class 2 NI abolished. What about us poor expats paying voluntary contributio
I'm on hold at the moment to HMRC as I need to follow up on my form, they have extended the deadline to pay to 31st July.
The app says I should've had a response by 20 Feb, nothing has appeared in my mailbox though.
The app says I should've had a response by 20 Feb, nothing has appeared in my mailbox though.
#514
Re: Class 2 NI abolished. What about us poor expats paying voluntary contributio
It seems we are getting mixed messages. Although my form has been sent, and so should be before April 5th, I specifically asked on a call today if the July 31st deadline was for PAYMENTS only, and he said that it was payments AND to receive the CF83 form. Not sure what to believe now.
#515
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An update on my call today. The lady said as long as the form was in before the deadline, then that's ok. It's currently taking 31 weeks to look at the form.
#516
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#517
Re: Class 2 NI abolished. What about us poor expats paying voluntary contributio
she said, the deadline has been extended and as long as the paperwork is in it's ok. I didn't ask if it was the extended deadline as I was calling to make sure a response to my form hadn't been lost. That's when I found out about the 31 week processing.
#518
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Thanks for the clarification. I think what makes me nervous is that the Ministerial Statement (Link here) only talks about the extended July deadline being for payments , and that we might be told after the even that it was a mistake to suggest the application could come after April 5th.
I would recommend getting the form in, pronto, just in case.
I would recommend getting the form in, pronto, just in case.
#519
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Re: Class 2 NI abolished. What about us poor expats paying voluntary contributio
Thanks for the clarification. I think what makes me nervous is that the Ministerial Statement (Link here) only talks about the extended July deadline being for payments , and that we might be told after the even that it was a mistake to suggest the application could come after April 5th.
I would recommend getting the form in, pronto, just in case.
I would recommend getting the form in, pronto, just in case.
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#520
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Guess I shouldn't have used USPS, ShipBob says:
There is one major con to using USPS for shipping to the UK: tracking packages no longer works once they leave the US. USPS packages are transferred to Royal Mail once they reach the UK. This may take anywhere from a few hours to days or even weeks and can delay delivery times.
There is one major con to using USPS for shipping to the UK: tracking packages no longer works once they leave the US. USPS packages are transferred to Royal Mail once they reach the UK. This may take anywhere from a few hours to days or even weeks and can delay delivery times.
#521
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Re: Class 2 NI abolished. What about us poor expats paying voluntary contributio
I expect to retire in the next 1-3 years. I can decide the exact timing. Are there employment requirements to be able to make a full years payment and still get credit for the full year?
#522
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Sent mine in via USPS, 3-5 days for delivery. That was on March 15th. But the tracking says:
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#523
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You have to be employed to qualify for Class 2 but can can contribute Class 3 regardless of employment status, so worst case scenario you have to switch to Class 3 if you informed them you were no longer employed. However I know of no obligation to inform them of your employment status after you have set up payment. Perhaps it is in the fine print, if so I don’t recall seeing that.
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Do I have to have started work immediately after I arrived in the USA? I have been here for 32 years, and don't have W2's going back that far. I left the UK in Summer of 1991, worked for more than 3 years in the UK immediately prior to leaving, however I did not start working in the US until 2-3 months after arriving. I do have a US Social Security Statement showing that I had made contributions in the USA starting in 1991 (although it shows 1991-2000 as cumulative years). When I look on UK.GOV it is showing that I will owe 824 GBP per year, which seems to be the Class 3 rate. Also FYI for anyone interested it looks like HMRC has extended the date for completing and filing Form CF83 until July 20, 2023 as they have a backlog of several months.
#525
Re: Class 2 NI abolished. What about us poor expats paying voluntary contributio
Do I have to have started work immediately after I arrived in the USA? I have been here for 32 years, and don't have W2's going back that far. I left the UK in Summer of 1991, worked for more than 3 years in the UK immediately prior to leaving, however I did not start working in the US until 2-3 months after arriving. I do have a US Social Security Statement showing that I had made contributions in the USA starting in 1991 (although it shows 1991-2000 as cumulative years). When I look on UK.GOV it is showing that I will owe 824 GBP per year, which seems to be the Class 3 rate. ...
.... Also FYI for anyone interested it looks like HMRC has extended the date for completing and filing Form CF83 until July 20, 2023 as they have a backlog of several months.
Last edited by Pulaski; Mar 29th 2023 at 1:42 am.