Child Born In US Obtaining US & UK Passports
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I wonder if it was because we were using the returning EU resident passport line?
Or maybe we look suspicious!
Or maybe we look suspicious!
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Maybe. We chose the line based on the passports we were using. So my wife went through the UK/EU line with her UK passport - while I went through the other line with the kids since we were using our US passports.
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Q: I have dual nationality but my U.S. passport has expired and I need to go the U.S. very soon. Can I go there just using my British passport?
A: It is federal law* that all U.S. citizens, even dual nationals, must enter and depart the United States using a valid U.S. passport. It will therefore be necessary to replace your passport prior to your travel to the United States.
*Sec 215(b) Immigration & Nationality Act [8 United States Code 1185]
The link to this is: http://www.usembassy.org.uk/americanservices/?p=86
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I'd be very interested to find out if this is incorrect.
Thanks
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Sorry - my last post was slightly off the point, what I meant to quote was the following from the Virgin Atlantic website:
NON-US PASSPORT HOLDERS BORN IN UNITED STATES
If you are a holder of a non-US passport and were born in the United States of America you need to be aware of a change in policy by the US Government. US law states that anyone born in the USA is considered to be a US citizen and if that person attempts to travel to the US on any document other than a US passport , they must carry with them a "loss of nationality letter". These letters can be obtained from US Embassies.
As the US Immigration Service will refuse entry to the US of any person born in the USA attempting to enter the US on a non-US passport without the loss of nationality letter, Virgin Atlantic is not able to carry such passengers unless they have the "letter". We apologise for any inconvenience that this may cause to our passengers
I guess I had got the US Embassy info and the airline supplied info confused...
SO the question is - Does Virgin Atlantic's website have it wrong?
We always travel Virgin and I guess that was why this was so ingrained in my mind as the law...
NON-US PASSPORT HOLDERS BORN IN UNITED STATES
If you are a holder of a non-US passport and were born in the United States of America you need to be aware of a change in policy by the US Government. US law states that anyone born in the USA is considered to be a US citizen and if that person attempts to travel to the US on any document other than a US passport , they must carry with them a "loss of nationality letter". These letters can be obtained from US Embassies.
As the US Immigration Service will refuse entry to the US of any person born in the USA attempting to enter the US on a non-US passport without the loss of nationality letter, Virgin Atlantic is not able to carry such passengers unless they have the "letter". We apologise for any inconvenience that this may cause to our passengers
I guess I had got the US Embassy info and the airline supplied info confused...
SO the question is - Does Virgin Atlantic's website have it wrong?
We always travel Virgin and I guess that was why this was so ingrained in my mind as the law...
Last edited by CalBrit; Jan 7th 2011 at 7:13 pm.
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Sorry - my last post was slightly off the point, what I meant to quote was the following from the Virgin Atlantic website:
NON-US PASSPORT HOLDERS BORN IN UNITED STATES
If you are a holder of a non-US passport and were born in the United States of America you need to be aware of a change in policy by the US Government. US law states that anyone born in the USA is considered to be a US citizen and if that person attempts to travel to the US on any document other than a US passport , they must carry with them a "loss of nationality letter". These letters can be obtained from US Embassies.
As the US Immigration Service will refuse entry to the US of any person born in the USA attempting to enter the US on a non-US passport without the loss of nationality letter, Virgin Atlantic is not able to carry such passengers unless they have the "letter". We apologise for any inconvenience that this may cause to our passengers
I guess I had got the US Embassy info and the airline supplied info confused...
SO the question is - Does Virgin Atlantic's website have it wrong?
We always travel Virgin and I guess that was why this was so ingrained in my mind as the law...
NON-US PASSPORT HOLDERS BORN IN UNITED STATES
If you are a holder of a non-US passport and were born in the United States of America you need to be aware of a change in policy by the US Government. US law states that anyone born in the USA is considered to be a US citizen and if that person attempts to travel to the US on any document other than a US passport , they must carry with them a "loss of nationality letter". These letters can be obtained from US Embassies.
As the US Immigration Service will refuse entry to the US of any person born in the USA attempting to enter the US on a non-US passport without the loss of nationality letter, Virgin Atlantic is not able to carry such passengers unless they have the "letter". We apologise for any inconvenience that this may cause to our passengers
I guess I had got the US Embassy info and the airline supplied info confused...
SO the question is - Does Virgin Atlantic's website have it wrong?
We always travel Virgin and I guess that was why this was so ingrained in my mind as the law...
What you can't do is show a passport of another country to enter the US unless you have officially renounced your US citizenship, which is what the quote you mention is talking about.
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Re: Child Born In US Obtaining US & UK Passports
NON-US PASSPORT HOLDERS BORN IN UNITED STATES
If you are a holder of a non-US passport and were born in the United States of America you need to be aware of a change in policy by the US Government. US law states that anyone born in the USA is considered to be a US citizen and if that person attempts to travel to the US on any document other than a US passport , they must carry with them a "loss of nationality letter". These letters can be obtained from US Embassies.
As the US Immigration Service will refuse entry to the US of any person born in the USA attempting to enter the US on a non-US passport without the loss of nationality letter, Virgin Atlantic is not able to carry such passengers unless they have the "letter". We apologise for any inconvenience that this may cause to our passengers
If you are a holder of a non-US passport and were born in the United States of America you need to be aware of a change in policy by the US Government. US law states that anyone born in the USA is considered to be a US citizen and if that person attempts to travel to the US on any document other than a US passport , they must carry with them a "loss of nationality letter". These letters can be obtained from US Embassies.
As the US Immigration Service will refuse entry to the US of any person born in the USA attempting to enter the US on a non-US passport without the loss of nationality letter, Virgin Atlantic is not able to carry such passengers unless they have the "letter". We apologise for any inconvenience that this may cause to our passengers
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Re: Child Born In US Obtaining US & UK Passports
Another myth is that all US citizens must file tax returns. Also not true in all cases.
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The truth is that they MIGHT have to file a tax return (even if they live outside the US). Not every US citizen has to file a tax return (regardless of where they live). For example, those earning below a certain threshold in various income categories don't have to file a tax return at all.
Last edited by MarylandNed; Jan 8th 2011 at 3:17 pm.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I wasn't commenting on "the language" - I was commenting on the myth that some people believe to be true. What I was getting at is that I often see people writing something like "all US citizens MUST file tax returns no matter where they live in the world". This is incorrect.
The truth is that they MIGHT have to file a tax return (even if they live outside the US). Not every US citizen has to file a tax return (regardless of where they live). For example, those earning below a certain threshold in various income categories don't have to file a tax return at all.
The truth is that they MIGHT have to file a tax return (even if they live outside the US). Not every US citizen has to file a tax return (regardless of where they live). For example, those earning below a certain threshold in various income categories don't have to file a tax return at all.
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I don't think that tax returns are actually required for visa petitions. If you weren't required to file a tax return, how can they demand that you produce one? I agree though that it's probably better to always file even if you don't have to.
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I see that you take exception with some of the general 'advice' here; please take into consideration that we've read and observed a lot of problems over the years and so tend to post the most helpful information, based on what really happens in the real world.
If a person was not required to file an income tax return because their income was insufficient, they should document the tax regulation from that year and (in an immigration case) include that with their filing to show they didn't need to file.
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If you are a US citizen, you can't be denied entry if you don't have a valid US passport, though you will have a lot of hassle, and getting the plane might not happen.
What you can't do is show a passport of another country to enter the US unless you have officially renounced your US citizenship, which is what the quote you mention is talking about.
What you can't do is show a passport of another country to enter the US unless you have officially renounced your US citizenship, which is what the quote you mention is talking about.
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My children have US and UK passports - born in US to British parents.
I used the standard US birth certificates for both passports with no problems.
The only issues I would point out are:
1. when living in the UK we had to go in person to the US Embassy in London with child and both parents to renew their US passports.
2. If your child has both passports they MUST now enter the US on the US passport (or surrender US citizenship) AND they must enter the UK on the UK passport. The UK situation is not quite so extreme, but I have had two occasions where the lack of UK passport has been an issue.
(1) travelling to UK with first child on US passport before obtaining UK passport, I was advised to a very least get "Right of Abode" put into her passport. However UK will not give "Right of Abode" to anyone who is eligible for a UK passport.
(2) on one occasion we travelled from the UK to France, her UK passport had expired (we were living in the UK at the time) so we decided to use the US one. However on return to UK she was almost refused entry as she should have been travelling on a UK passport, after about 40 minutes debate and consultation with senior immigration officials they stamped her into the UK for 3 months with instructions that we must immediately renew the UK passport.
SO I advise you to obtain both passports and keep them both valid at all times.
BTW the UK passport can be obtained and renewed through British Embassy in Washington DC - by mail!
I used the standard US birth certificates for both passports with no problems.
The only issues I would point out are:
1. when living in the UK we had to go in person to the US Embassy in London with child and both parents to renew their US passports.
2. If your child has both passports they MUST now enter the US on the US passport (or surrender US citizenship) AND they must enter the UK on the UK passport. The UK situation is not quite so extreme, but I have had two occasions where the lack of UK passport has been an issue.
(1) travelling to UK with first child on US passport before obtaining UK passport, I was advised to a very least get "Right of Abode" put into her passport. However UK will not give "Right of Abode" to anyone who is eligible for a UK passport.
(2) on one occasion we travelled from the UK to France, her UK passport had expired (we were living in the UK at the time) so we decided to use the US one. However on return to UK she was almost refused entry as she should have been travelling on a UK passport, after about 40 minutes debate and consultation with senior immigration officials they stamped her into the UK for 3 months with instructions that we must immediately renew the UK passport.
SO I advise you to obtain both passports and keep them both valid at all times.
BTW the UK passport can be obtained and renewed through British Embassy in Washington DC - by mail!
But should you or your child lose the original that was issued less than 3 months after a birth (like I did with my sons) a new one will not be accepted for UK passport, so for us it was well worth the money.