Changing UK Drivers Licenece to add a USA address
Mar 24th 2014, 3:13 pm
#32
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Re: Changing UK Drivers Licenece to add a USA address
My (persona non gratis) brother tried to give my US address when he got a camera ticket. They sent it to me here! At that time I could prove that I hadn't been in the UK for over three years (waiting for GC), so I was absolved, but I got the summons!
Mar 24th 2014, 3:21 pm
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Re: Changing UK Drivers Licenece to add a USA address
We keep coming back to this subject. Here is an official extract from here:
http://www.betterregulation.gov.uk/i...e336&tunnel=bl
the law requires that UK driving licences can only be issued to UK residents. This helps to ensure that people are not able to obtain a licence in two or more countries, possibly to escape the consequences of a disqualification.
and probably more reliably: https://www.gov.uk/change-address-dr...fore-you-start
the DVLA states that you must be a resident of Great Britain and provide addresses for the last three years.
Like others, I would be extremely careful about the police and insurance company reaction if I was using a UK licence when not resident.
http://www.betterregulation.gov.uk/i...e336&tunnel=bl
the law requires that UK driving licences can only be issued to UK residents. This helps to ensure that people are not able to obtain a licence in two or more countries, possibly to escape the consequences of a disqualification.
and probably more reliably: https://www.gov.uk/change-address-dr...fore-you-start
the DVLA states that you must be a resident of Great Britain and provide addresses for the last three years.
Like others, I would be extremely careful about the police and insurance company reaction if I was using a UK licence when not resident.
Last edited by MidAtlantic; Mar 24th 2014 at 3:30 pm.
Mar 24th 2014, 4:14 pm
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Re: Changing UK Drivers Licenece to add a USA address
Yes they are to which bit? To the endorsement ability? If so, then I'm absolutely correct. A foreign DL can NOT be endorsed and is NOT subject to a FP. The matter must be dealt with by a court.
https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q418.htm
"Foreign Licence (non EC and EC non resident)
You cannot pay the fine and substantiate the ticket. You must go to court to be dealt with. You must still produce your documents (if requested) within 7 days but cannot surrender your licence to the police. You will receive a summons in the post in due course with a court date. Your licence will not be endorsed but you may get a higher fine.
If you are stopped by a police officer for speeding (rather than a camera) tell him that you have a foreign licence so that he can complete the appropriate paperwork."
If you're talking about whether the cops lay paperwork for a summons, then first you would have needed to complete a s172. Was this sent to your family member? If it was, they would have been simply within their rights to refuse to disclose the driver given the protections under the 5th Amendment. If it wasn't, then I would be very interested to know what the summons was received for?
https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q418.htm
"Foreign Licence (non EC and EC non resident)
You cannot pay the fine and substantiate the ticket. You must go to court to be dealt with. You must still produce your documents (if requested) within 7 days but cannot surrender your licence to the police. You will receive a summons in the post in due course with a court date. Your licence will not be endorsed but you may get a higher fine.
If you are stopped by a police officer for speeding (rather than a camera) tell him that you have a foreign licence so that he can complete the appropriate paperwork."
If you're talking about whether the cops lay paperwork for a summons, then first you would have needed to complete a s172. Was this sent to your family member? If it was, they would have been simply within their rights to refuse to disclose the driver given the protections under the 5th Amendment. If it wasn't, then I would be very interested to know what the summons was received for?
Mar 24th 2014, 4:18 pm
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Re: Changing UK Drivers Licenece to add a USA address
1. A UK drivers licence is not invalidated by virtue of the holder not being resident in the United Kingdom.
2. An inability to renew the PHOTOCARD does NOT invalidate the driving licence. Failure to renew your photocard is a separate offence under the RTA 1988.
If ANYONE is able to direct me to the piece of legislation (not quoting from the DVLA, actual Legislation from the Crown) that states a driving licence is rendered invalidated if the holder becomes a non-resident, I will pay them $100.
Mar 24th 2014, 4:20 pm
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Re: Changing UK Drivers Licenece to add a USA address
..and your brother then received a visit from plod for deliberately naming yourself as a driver when full well knowing it could not have possibly been you I expect? Sounds like your brother is a right shit.
Mar 24th 2014, 4:25 pm
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Re: Changing UK Drivers Licenece to add a USA address
Invalidation and using it are two different things.
But anyway, I never understand this fascination on here with wanting to hold onto a UK licence. Only residents can get a licence (whether it remains valid afterward is academic, only a resident can obtain one in the first place). It clearly is a residential tie to the UK and HMRC consider it to be one.
Why bother? I just don't understand the attraction of it. If you move back to the UK you just give them your old DL number and get it reissued. It's of no practical use to you, you have to get a licence where you currently reside.
It's only going to create a question mark about where you reside, which is of no benefit.
In Alberta there is an agreement with the DVLA and they physically take it off you and (supposedly) return it to the DVLA so I had no option but I can't say I care.
But anyway, I never understand this fascination on here with wanting to hold onto a UK licence. Only residents can get a licence (whether it remains valid afterward is academic, only a resident can obtain one in the first place). It clearly is a residential tie to the UK and HMRC consider it to be one.
Why bother? I just don't understand the attraction of it. If you move back to the UK you just give them your old DL number and get it reissued. It's of no practical use to you, you have to get a licence where you currently reside.
It's only going to create a question mark about where you reside, which is of no benefit.
In Alberta there is an agreement with the DVLA and they physically take it off you and (supposedly) return it to the DVLA so I had no option but I can't say I care.
Mar 24th 2014, 4:28 pm
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Re: Changing UK Drivers Licenece to add a USA address
Mar 24th 2014, 4:33 pm
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Re: Changing UK Drivers Licenece to add a USA address
- To prevent any prosecution for the offence from being hindered by the disappearance of the person being arrested.
Been used a few times to detain foreign drivers. Banged up over night and court in the morning.
Mar 24th 2014, 4:40 pm
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Re: Changing UK Drivers Licenece to add a USA address
Ha ha - I currently have three driving licences; one for New Jersey (where we still have our house and I go back there periodically), one for Singapore - although it expires next year and we are unlikely to go back to Singapore when we relocate again next year - and a Swiss one.
I was sad to have to exchange my old GB pink paper driving licence (with the address of our house in Essex which we still own) but I was able to exchange it for the Swiss one; I just didn't fancy taking a practical and theory driving test in German and they don't allow you to take a translator over here...
I do drive our Swiss car in England from time to time though, but I try to avoid multi-storey car parks where possible as if I'm on my own I have to get out and walk around the car to the ticket machine to enter and leave.
Mar 24th 2014, 4:42 pm
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Re: Changing UK Drivers Licenece to add a USA address
Power of Arrest under SOCA can be used
Been used a few times to detain foreign drivers. Banged up over night and court in the morning.
- To prevent any prosecution for the offence from being hindered by the disappearance of the person being arrested.
Been used a few times to detain foreign drivers. Banged up over night and court in the morning.
Mar 24th 2014, 5:04 pm
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Re: Changing UK Drivers Licenece to add a USA address
You must have an old pink DL. Most people have the photo ID DL which needs renewing every 10 years...that's when the problem arises.
Mar 24th 2014, 5:05 pm
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Re: Changing UK Drivers Licenece to add a USA address
It's not actually renewed I think is the point he was making, it's updated under a different regulation. The actual driving privilege is valid until you're 70.
