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Old Apr 10th 2012, 10:17 pm
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Originally Posted by messirules

with a J1 he says you have to go home at end residency for 2 years what point in that! hence he wants to avoid if possible.
The 2 year HRR thing really depends on the internship and who is funding it. Most people don't actually have that and it is easier to get than a H1, which people use to build up contacts that lead to getting a H1 in the future.
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Originally Posted by messirules
I dont think malpractice can be that much.
Yes, it can be that much. Obstetricians, for example, have it particularly bad.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...h0PFszTvpPwiyH

http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/14/news...ting/index.htm

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/rising...ors-out/57934/
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Originally Posted by messirules
yeah i think he prefers H1B as apparently its a faster route to GC for a brit I think??
Faster than what? I don't think being British makes any difference.

If he's a regular doctor, he's probably looking at category EB2. If he's an internationally renowned specialist, an EB1 might be on the cards. I don't think the specific visa that precedes it makes much difference (other than that O1 requirements are broadly similar to the EB1).

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He can start by asking the question on DNUK, where this question has been answered extensively multiple times.

Next he can look here:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/forumdisplay.php?f=35

Residency programs are very hard to come by these days. Not impossible.

If he has MRCP then he could consider working for the VA, who have a path for hiring non-US residency trained physicians.

Also, some academic institutions hire directly. eg Stanford. There'd be little-to-no chance of working elsewhere as a medic, and no chance of private work.

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Originally Posted by messirules
Also he has seen doctors in the US making handsome salaries e.g $400k for cardiologist which is like 5 times higher than England.
Is he a cardiologist? Anyway, forget the money and first really research the culture and business of helathcare in the US and then see if it's something he wished to pursue. I love the healthcare environment but I don't for a second think that the politics and demands are any better than the UK, especially as there are many more entities involved and all with a financial stake. At a rough guess I would think a $400k would result in a take home pay after all taxes and other essential fees (like all the insurances) would be in the $80-90k range at most. Just a guess though. It's not bad at all depending on the lifestyle but don't look at the top line of a salary. Mind you, he probably wouldn't walk into a $400k job if he is "pretty young."
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Originally Posted by Bob
The 2 year HRR thing really depends on the internship and who is funding it. Most people don't actually have that and it is easier to get than a H1, which people use to build up contacts that lead to getting a H1 in the future.
Not really I spoke to him today all j1 for medical residency are sponsored by ECFMG some body for overseas docs all have the HRR unless you get a waiver job which is hard I heard
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Originally Posted by Ozzidoc
He can start by asking the question on DNUK, where this question has been answered extensively multiple times.

Next he can look here:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/forumdisplay.php?f=35

Residency programs are very hard to come by these days. Not impossible.

If he has MRCP then he could consider working for the VA, who have a path for hiring non-US residency trained physicians.

Also, some academic institutions hire directly. eg Stanford. There'd be little-to-no chance of working elsewhere as a medic, and no chance of private work.

He has MRCP MRCGP and research and publications he looking go anywhere not ivy league!! He told me that a few thousand foreign docs get in each year according to figures so is it that hard? I thought there was a shortage of primary care docs which he is too

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Originally Posted by messirules
sounds very extreme if you have incomes around 1million and cant afford 30 bucks in a restaurant got to wonder where the money is going. I dont think malpractice can be that much.
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Originally Posted by caleyjag
Faster than what? I don't think being British makes any difference.

If he's a regular doctor, he's probably looking at category EB2. If he's an internationally renowned specialist, an EB1 might be on the cards. I don't think the specific visa that precedes it makes much difference (other than that O1 requirements are broadly similar to the EB1).
Well if you are Indian or Chinese there are backlogs of many years for GC if British then I heard those backlogs aren't there that's why I said that
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Originally Posted by messirules
He has MRCP MRCGP and research and publications he looking go anywhere not ivy league!! He told me that a few thousand foreign docs get in each year according to figures so is it that hard? I thought there was a shortage of primary care docs which he is too

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There is a shortage of primary care doctors, but no shortage of people to fill the training positions.
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Is he a cardiologist? Anyway, forget the money and first really research the culture and business of helathcare in the US and then see if it's something he wished to pursue. I love the healthcare environment but I don't for a second think that the politics and demands are any better than the UK, especially as there are many more entities involved and all with a financial stake. At a rough guess I would think a $400k would result in a take home pay after all taxes and other essential fees (like all the insurances) would be in the $80-90k range at most. Just a guess though. It's not bad at all depending on the lifestyle but don't look at the top line of a salary. Mind you, he probably wouldn't walk into a $400k job if he is "pretty young."
Do you work in healthcare btw? You say you love the healthcare environment in the States I think my bro does too from what he has seen there.
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Originally Posted by Ozzidoc
There is a shortage of primary care doctors, but no shortage of people to fill the training positions.
He showed me some figures where around 4k foreign docs who need visa got residency so is it that hard?? I would have though his UK experience and degrees would count for some degree of credit in the application
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Originally Posted by messirules
He showed me some figures where around 4k foreign docs who need visa got residency so is it that hard?? I would have though his UK experience and degrees would count for some degree of credit in the application
He's competing with about 30K non-Americans, as well as about 23K US-educated doctors.

I'm not saying that it's impossible, just much harder than it used to be.

Did you mention the DNUK threads to him?
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He's competing with about 30K non-Americans, as well as about 23K US-educated doctors.

I'm not saying that it's impossible, just much harder than it used to be.

Did you mention the DNUK threads to him?
well the US educated ones should get priority no problems with that I shall mention DNUK but as its a british site maybe wont have much info. on the US I would have thought.
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Originally Posted by messirules
Do you work in healthcare btw? You say you love the healthcare environment in the States I think my bro does too from what he has seen there.
I guess I work on the outskirts of healthcare but am a big consumer of it. Just make sure he understands the demands and expectations of employers, patients, colleagues, insurance companies, regulatory bodies and the government.
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