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firehawk May 29th 2012 1:09 am

Buying a house in the USA
 
so, I am not rich.
I live in the UK and rent. I dont even know how mortgages work! But what I do know is that there are some cheaper things in the US compared to here in the UK.

I am wondering if it is possible to buy a property, house, in the USA if you do not live there?
If so - how does it all work?

thanks!

scrubbedexpat099 May 29th 2012 1:16 am

Re: Buying a house in the USA
 
Why?

Jerseygirl May 29th 2012 1:19 am

Re: Buying a house in the USA
 

Originally Posted by firehawk (Post 10087540)
so, I am not rich.
I live in the UK and rent. I dont even know how mortgages work! But what I do know is that there are some cheaper things in the US compared to here in the UK.

I am wondering if it is possible to buy a property, house, in the USA if you do not live there?
If so - how does it all work?

thanks!

Of course it's possible...but why would you want to?

kimilseung May 29th 2012 1:23 am

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There are also very expensive houses, the real cheapies reflect the environment. People fleeing because of lack of jobs,

firehawk May 29th 2012 1:23 am

Re: Buying a house in the USA
 
because I do... I want to live in the US eventually. tought having a property would help and since I travel there often, can live there...instead of forking out for hotels

scrubbedexpat099 May 29th 2012 1:25 am

Re: Buying a house in the USA
 
How?

md95065 May 29th 2012 1:30 am

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Buying property as an investment is a risky business that requires a lot of planning and research - for most people it is a really bad idea.

Buying investment property in a foreign country that you know nothing about is a good way of losing all of your money.

If you find someone offering you an investment opportunity that seems too good to be true and involves investing money in property in the US it is almost guaranteed to be a scam.

Owning property in the US will not make it easier for you to get an immigrant visa and, in fact, it may hinder your ability to visit the US.

Jerseygirl May 29th 2012 1:32 am

Re: Buying a house in the USA
 

Originally Posted by firehawk (Post 10087554)
because I do... I want to live in the US eventually. tought having a property would help and since I travel there often, can live there...instead of forking out for hotels

Owning property will not help you.

Take a read through this...if you can fit into one of the categories...you may be in with a chance of moving to the US.

Bob May 29th 2012 1:35 am

Re: Buying a house in the USA
 

Originally Posted by firehawk (Post 10087554)
because I do... I want to live in the US eventually. tought having a property would help and since I travel there often, can live there...instead of forking out for hotels

Owning property here doesn't help you live here.

Buying a place is easy though, but getting a mortgage to buy a place here might be a problem.

A hotel is much cheaper than property taxes in decent places and not to mention, managing a place from afar can be a right hassle.

ian-mstm May 29th 2012 2:20 am

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Originally Posted by firehawk (Post 10087554)
... since I travel there often, can live there...

But you can't "live there"... not without a proper visa. The best you can do is visit... and even then, there's no guarantee of entry - visa or not.

Ian

penguinsix May 29th 2012 2:55 am

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Buying a house here might actually make it more difficult to visit. A border agent may see that you have a property here, trying to make a permanent connection to the USA, and not recognize you as a 'visitor' but as a potential immigrant or someone who would overstay, thus denying you entry.

Between the insurance, property taxes, utilities and other expenses, a hotel is probably cheaper for now.

WEBlue May 29th 2012 11:56 am

Re: Buying a house in the USA
 

Originally Posted by penguinsix (Post 10087663)
Between the insurance, property taxes, utilities and other expenses, a hotel is probably cheaper for now.

Very very true. Some budget motels are a bargain compared to the costs associated with owning a house here. The price of the house can be nice & low, but once you factor in items like (flood, tornado, earthquake, crime) insurance, property taxes of +$500 a month depending on area, possible sky-high fuel costs (especially if oil), you're looking at a much larger outlay than you'd ever imagine. The cost of the house is only the beginning . . . .

Steve_ May 29th 2012 3:36 pm

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Yes you can buy property in the US but it helps not at all with living in the US in fact, 8 USC 1101(a)(15)(B) requires you to have an abode abroad if you are visiting, so if you rent in the UK and own in the US, odds are that CBP will think you do not have non-immigrant intent.

tnzetasigep May 30th 2012 10:19 am

Re: Buying a house in the USA
 

Originally Posted by WEBlue (Post 10088435)
Very very true. Some budget motels are a bargain compared to the costs associated with owning a house here. The price of the house can be nice & low, but once you factor in items like (flood, tornado, earthquake, crime) insurance, property taxes of +$500 a month depending on area, possible sky-high fuel costs (especially if oil), you're looking at a much larger outlay than you'd ever imagine. The cost of the house is only the beginning . . . .

The cost may not always be as expensive as you’ve represented. Homeowners insurance (as well as property tax) is included in the mortgage payment (in Tennessee anyway) and is small portion of your monthly payment. From the TN Comptroller of the Treasury:
Assume you have a house with an APPRAISED VALUE of $100,000. The ASSESSED VALUE is $25,000 (25% of $100,000), and the TAX RATE has been set by your county commission at $3.20 per hundred of assessed value. To figure the tax simply multiply the ASSESSED VALUE ($25,000)by the TAX RATE (3.20 per hundred dollars assessed).

$25,000 / 100 = 250 x $3.20 = $800.00 or ($25,000 x .03200 = $800.00)
for a tax bill of $800.00
http://www.comptroller.tn.gov/pa/pahtfytb.asp

Homeowners insurance is also inexpensive and covers everything except flood insurance (that is available depending on where you live). Covers medical payments if someone is injured on your property, covers fire, theft, acts of God…The main expense I’d worry about is the cost of upkeep which if you live in the UK you could be taken advantage of if you’re not careful.

Nutmegger May 30th 2012 1:43 pm

Re: Buying a house in the USA
 

Originally Posted by tnzetasigep (Post 10090430)
The cost may not always be as expensive as you’ve represented. Homeowners insurance (as well as property tax) is included in the mortgage payment (in Tennessee anyway) and is small portion of your monthly payment. From the TN Comptroller of the Treasury:
Assume you have a house with an APPRAISED VALUE of $100,000. The ASSESSED VALUE is $25,000 (25% of $100,000), and the TAX RATE has been set by your county commission at $3.20 per hundred of assessed value. To figure the tax simply multiply the ASSESSED VALUE ($25,000)by the TAX RATE (3.20 per hundred dollars assessed).

$25,000 / 100 = 250 x $3.20 = $800.00 or ($25,000 x .03200 = $800.00)
for a tax bill of $800.00
http://www.comptroller.tn.gov/pa/pahtfytb.asp

Homeowners insurance is also inexpensive and covers everything except flood insurance (that is available depending on where you live). Covers medical payments if someone is injured on your property, covers fire, theft, acts of God…The main expense I’d worry about is the cost of upkeep which if you live in the UK you could be taken advantage of if you’re not careful.

This post just goes to show that "one size does not fit all." For a start, though $100,000 may get a very nice house in TN, it would get you a garage in CT. My homeowner's insurance has never been a part of a mortgage payment and is very definitely not inexpensive. And my property tax is astronomical. It is all down to what part of the country one lives in.

Also, in TN the insurance and property tax may be paid at the same time as the mortgage payment, but it should be stressed they are not "included," they are additional sums of money.

davenay67 May 30th 2012 2:07 pm

Re: Buying a house in the USA
 

Originally Posted by Nutmegger (Post 10090738)
Also, in TN the insurance and property tax may be paid at the same time as the mortgage payment, but it should be stressed they are not "included," they are additional sums of money.

In IL, we have the option to pay property tax and insurance separately or 'escrow' them into the mortgage for a convenient single monthly payment.

Jerseygirl May 30th 2012 2:10 pm

Re: Buying a house in the USA
 

Originally Posted by davenay67 (Post 10090770)
In IL, we have the option to pay property tax and insurance separately or 'escrow' them into the mortgage for a convenient single monthly payment.

In NJ if you have a mortgage the mortgage company is responsible for paying property taxes. The mortgage company then adds the amount onto your mortgage payments.

Nutmegger May 30th 2012 3:26 pm

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 10090775)
The mortgage company then adds the amount onto your mortgage payments.

That's what I was trying to get across! It gets added on!

scrubbedexpat099 May 30th 2012 3:34 pm

Re: Buying a house in the USA
 
In Colorado the Property Tax seems similar to that in the UK. However that is just the start.

Bob May 30th 2012 5:05 pm

Re: Buying a house in the USA
 

Originally Posted by tnzetasigep (Post 10090430)
The cost may not always be as expensive as you’ve represented. Homeowners insurance (as well as property tax) is included in the mortgage payment (in Tennessee anyway) and is small portion of your monthly payment. From the TN Comptroller of the Treasury:
Assume you have a house with an APPRAISED VALUE of $100,000. The ASSESSED VALUE is $25,000 (25% of $100,000), and the TAX RATE has been set by your county commission at $3.20 per hundred of assessed value. To figure the tax simply multiply the ASSESSED VALUE ($25,000)by the TAX RATE (3.20 per hundred dollars assessed).

$25,000 / 100 = 250 x $3.20 = $800.00 or ($25,000 x .03200 = $800.00)
for a tax bill of $800.00
http://www.comptroller.tn.gov/pa/pahtfytb.asp

Homeowners insurance is also inexpensive and covers everything except flood insurance (that is available depending on where you live). Covers medical payments if someone is injured on your property, covers fire, theft, acts of God…The main expense I’d worry about is the cost of upkeep which if you live in the UK you could be taken advantage of if you’re not careful.

That's awesome.

Couldn't buy a rotting shed at the end of a drive way for that kind of money over here though and that's well in the burbs.

Sally Redux May 30th 2012 5:11 pm

Re: Buying a house in the USA
 

Originally Posted by Nutmegger (Post 10090738)
This post just goes to show that "one size does not fit all." For a start, though $100,000 may get a very nice house in TN, it would get you a garage in CT. My homeowner's insurance has never been a part of a mortgage payment and is very definitely not inexpensive. And my property tax is astronomical. It is all down to what part of the country one lives in.

Also, in TN the insurance and property tax may be paid at the same time as the mortgage payment, but it should be stressed they are not "included," they are additional sums of money.

The appraised value here is generally what you paid for the house + 2% pa. This can be adjusted down if property values fall but will go back up to the previous point if they rise again.

Property tax is certainly not 'included in the mortgage' but may be paid from an escrow account by the mortgage company.

Jerseygirl May 30th 2012 5:14 pm

Re: Buying a house in the USA
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 10091071)
The appraised value here is generally what you paid for the house + 2% pa. This can be adjusted down if property values fall but will go back up to the previous point if they rise again.

Property tax is certainly not 'included in the mortgage' but may be paid from an escrow account by the mortgage company.

That's exactly how it is paid Sally. I was told it's to ensure property taxes are paid.

Sally Redux May 30th 2012 5:16 pm

Re: Buying a house in the USA
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 10091079)
That's exactly how it is paid Sally. I was told it's to ensure property taxes are paid.

I don't think you absolutely have to do it like that here, as we were looking at remortgaging with ING and you pay property tax and insurance separately with them.

The escrow account actually takes quite a generous amount over what is actually needed and holds it.

Nutmegger May 30th 2012 6:00 pm

Re: Buying a house in the USA
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 10091083)
I don't think you absolutely have to do it like that here, as we were looking at remortgaging with ING and you pay property tax and insurance separately with them.

The escrow account actually takes quite a generous amount over what is actually needed and holds it.

I agree that it depends on the mortgage holder -- I've had to do it once, and haven't had to twice.

Jerseygirl May 30th 2012 6:30 pm

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Originally Posted by Nutmegger (Post 10091187)
I agree that it depends on the mortgage holder -- I've had to do it once, and haven't had to twice.

I thought as far as NJ was concerned it was a state thing. Maybe some states stipulate this...maybe some mortgage companies do. As I said before I thought it was to ensure your property taxes are paid.

TimNiceBut Jun 6th 2012 1:19 am

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Chances are it's the mortgage companies as they probably don't like it if the county forcloses on you because you forgot to pay the property taxes. IIRC the property taxes are higher up in the food chain in that particular case.

sir_eccles Jun 6th 2012 1:27 am

Re: Buying a house in the USA
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 10091083)

The escrow account actually takes quite a generous amount over what is actually needed and holds it.

Not in my experience. Just got an escrow statement it details when and how much gets paid in and out, total at the bottom is $0 for the year.

Jerseygirl Jun 6th 2012 1:36 am

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Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 10102517)
Not in my experience. Just got an escrow statement it details when and how much gets paid in and out, total at the bottom is $0 for the year.

My experience was the same as Sally. As I understand it the mortgage company is required to do this in NJ. Live everything else it probably differs from state to state.

Brat1 Jun 6th 2012 12:47 pm

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We had to pay a years home insurance up front, and still pay the house insurance monthly. All the taxes, insurance etc, come off with the mortgage monthly, we weren't allowed the option to pay the taxes etc ourself, but I think that was the mortgage company's stipulation. Suits me, I know it's getting paid and it's one less bill to worry about :) I'm also hoping that our taxes will go down next year, if the appraisal that just got done is anything to go by, so fingers crossed for that one :fingerscrossed:

RICH Jun 6th 2012 1:59 pm

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Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 10102517)
Not in my experience. Just got an escrow statement it details when and how much gets paid in and out, total at the bottom is $0 for the year.

I got a healthy check back for last years escrow payments, and reduced payments for this year :)as the tax & insurance decreased, as the property value decreased.:frown: It evens out in the end. Also at the start I had to put 3/6 months in up front.

The escrow requirement is written in the mortgage, not sure if it is a lender or state requirement.

ChocolateBabz Jun 6th 2012 2:45 pm

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We were allowed to stay out of escrow because we put down a large downpayment. If we had been in escrow I seem to remember the mortgage company wanted a year of property taxes up front...emm $12,000 to sit in their account, I don't think so. The bank explained this was a 'slush fund' to cover any future increases in property taxes that weren't accounted for in our monthly payment.

So we pay our mortgage to the bank, our insurance to the insurance co, the property tax to the county, our mud tax to the mud district and our HOA fees to the management co, all in December.

There have been a few 'stories' on city-data of mortgage companies underestimating the cost of property taxes and insurance and folk getting bills for thousands at the end of the year. Really people??? you trust the bank to get it right?


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