fatbrit

Post hoc, ergo proctor hoc?

candy wy.

now your being an ass...
why would a cancer patient be extubated????

snowbunny

Nearly all health insurance policies have a lifetime cap. If legislation is passed in Florida to allow and pay for this, you're going to have a lot of seniors on life support with their rellies holding out for the next big cure.

Iginla

Well who the hell are you to judge what other people think.

You're doing here what you've been doing best.

Making assumptions about people you know squiddly dat about.

candy wy.

i was talking about a different type of insurance than the normal health one.
i.e like you can get already for long term nursing care.

candy wy.

and who the hell are you god...
like i said did i mention any names...........

fatbrit

Have you estimated the cost?

Many Americans with a quality of life well above that of the person in question cannot afford the most rudimentary healthcare and simply die, while for many others the government already foots the bill provided they are sensible enough to be extremely poor. Is there going to be any limit to this? I hate to guess what the current care for Ms. Schiavo is costing, but I could probably double any guess I make.

Given a finite amount of resources and plenty of demand, do you think that Ms. Schiavo is a priority? Are there more deserving cases where we would get a better bang for our buck? Perhaps principle should override money and we should make healthcare resources equal to demand?

Iginla

If you don't understand something please don't get personal. Explain how I was being an ass with my statement?

I presume you mean intubated. If you really mean extubated, well because there is nothing more that can be done for them.

And why wouldn't they? ermmm, respiratory distress.

candy wy.

and that is what in the end it comes down to money..
if you want to live at any cost you better have the money to do it.
because the way things are going anyone who needs to much health care will be allowed to die..

snowbunny

If there were no hope for recovery and the person had either made a living will or a DNR, then at some point they would be extubated and allowed to die.

I've been through a DNR case with my grandmother. It is excruciatingly hard to withhold treatment from a loved one, but it was her wish, and thankfully she was "only" unable to express her wishes for less than 48 hours, so at least I didn't have to wonder if withholding treatment was against her will. You so want to fight with everything you have.....

At one point I wandered forlornly down to the nurses' station to ask what we should do when she died. I mean, I knew the drill from telly if someone coded and was to be resuscitated -- scream and get help. I was lost as to what the protocol was in cases like my grandmother's. Instead of crying and hugging and saying goodbye at death, we've been taught to run for more help and spend those last moments watching medical personnel do some incredibly invasive and traumatic things to our loved one, only to at some point have to give up and leave us with someone who died during the procedures in the hands of the doctors instead of in our arms.

tony126

Well this discussion reminds me of my history teachers viewpoint. Everyone should be put out of life on reaching 65. Would save a lot of expense for families and Governments. The drawback is I would not be here to say this.

fatbrit

Thank god for the NHS, eh?

And hopefully the US will become enlightened one day.

Iginla

No but you feel good to post that you understand the motives behind the thoughts of "some people".

Stop being a judgemental fool and get off your moral high ground.

Now back to the point in question.

Give me one good reason why the husband of a woman that is in PVS and that he believes (based on a relationship with this woman) would be miserable in the condition she is in should not have the right to be an advocate for her.

The fact is: You (and me also) do not know anything about the issues at hand and what the relationship is between the two.

Time for people to mind their own business and stop imposing their morals and ethics on others.

It is the NOK's decision which the courts have backed. Simple as that.

candy wy.

sorry i haven't seen many cancer patients that were extubated
they usually die from the high dose of morphine in the body and were not intubated to start with..

Iginla

Yes, and if medical personnel deemed it futile to continue the intubation.