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Bush signs Schiavo legislation
#91
Re: Bush signs Schiavo legislation
Originally Posted by candy wy.
i guess from the views of some people anyone that has to depend on any type of life support and has some type of brain imbalance should be allowed to die.
Post hoc, ergo proctor hoc?
#92
Re: Bush signs Schiavo legislation
Originally Posted by Iginla
So oncology patients with rampant cancer shouldn't be extubated?
now your being an ass...
why would a cancer patient be extubated????
#93
Re: Bush signs Schiavo legislation
Originally Posted by candy wy.
yes a living will should be made by all...
i am sure if it was a person wish to be kept a live indefinitley they could take action to see that it was paid for they have insurance for everything else over here..
i am sure if it was a person wish to be kept a live indefinitley they could take action to see that it was paid for they have insurance for everything else over here..
#94
Re: Bush signs Schiavo legislation
Originally Posted by candy wy.
did i mention your name.
You're doing here what you've been doing best.
Making assumptions about people you know squiddly dat about.
#95
Re: Bush signs Schiavo legislation
Originally Posted by snowbunny
Nearly all health insurance policies have a lifetime cap. If legislation is passed in Florida to allow and pay for this, you're going to have a lot of seniors on life support with their rellies holding out for the next big cure.
i.e like you can get already for long term nursing care.
#96
Re: Bush signs Schiavo legislation
Originally Posted by Iginla
Well who the hell are you to judge what other people think.
You're doing here what you've been doing best.
Making assumptions about people you know squiddly dat about.
You're doing here what you've been doing best.
Making assumptions about people you know squiddly dat about.
like i said did i mention any names...........
#97
Re: Bush signs Schiavo legislation
Originally Posted by candy wy.
yes a living will should be made by all...
i am sure if it was a person wish to be kept a live indefinitley they could take action to see that it was paid for they have insurance for everything else over here..
i am sure if it was a person wish to be kept a live indefinitley they could take action to see that it was paid for they have insurance for everything else over here..
Have you estimated the cost?
Many Americans with a quality of life well above that of the person in question cannot afford the most rudimentary healthcare and simply die, while for many others the government already foots the bill provided they are sensible enough to be extremely poor. Is there going to be any limit to this? I hate to guess what the current care for Ms. Schiavo is costing, but I could probably double any guess I make.
Given a finite amount of resources and plenty of demand, do you think that Ms. Schiavo is a priority? Are there more deserving cases where we would get a better bang for our buck? Perhaps principle should override money and we should make healthcare resources equal to demand?
#98
Re: Bush signs Schiavo legislation
Originally Posted by candy wy.
now your being an ass...
why would a cancer patient be extubated????
why would a cancer patient be extubated????
I presume you mean intubated. If you really mean extubated, well because there is nothing more that can be done for them.
And why wouldn't they? ermmm, respiratory distress.
#99
Re: Bush signs Schiavo legislation
Originally Posted by fatbrit
Have you estimated the cost?
Many Americans with a quality of life well above that of the person in question cannot afford the most rudimentary healthcare and simply die, while for many others the government already foots the bill provided they are sensible enough to be extremely poor. Is there going to be any limit to this? I hate to guess what the current care for Ms. Schiavo is costing, but I could probably double any guess I make.
Given a finite amount of resources and plenty of demand, do you think that Ms. Schiavo is a priority? Are there more deserving cases where we would get a better bang for our buck? Perhaps principle should override money and we should make healthcare resources equal to demand?
Many Americans with a quality of life well above that of the person in question cannot afford the most rudimentary healthcare and simply die, while for many others the government already foots the bill provided they are sensible enough to be extremely poor. Is there going to be any limit to this? I hate to guess what the current care for Ms. Schiavo is costing, but I could probably double any guess I make.
Given a finite amount of resources and plenty of demand, do you think that Ms. Schiavo is a priority? Are there more deserving cases where we would get a better bang for our buck? Perhaps principle should override money and we should make healthcare resources equal to demand?
if you want to live at any cost you better have the money to do it.
because the way things are going anyone who needs to much health care will be allowed to die..
#100
Re: Bush signs Schiavo legislation
Originally Posted by candy wy.
now your being an ass...
why would a cancer patient be extubated????
why would a cancer patient be extubated????
I've been through a DNR case with my grandmother. It is excruciatingly hard to withhold treatment from a loved one, but it was her wish, and thankfully she was "only" unable to express her wishes for less than 48 hours, so at least I didn't have to wonder if withholding treatment was against her will. You so want to fight with everything you have.....
At one point I wandered forlornly down to the nurses' station to ask what we should do when she died. I mean, I knew the drill from telly if someone coded and was to be resuscitated -- scream and get help. I was lost as to what the protocol was in cases like my grandmother's. Instead of crying and hugging and saying goodbye at death, we've been taught to run for more help and spend those last moments watching medical personnel do some incredibly invasive and traumatic things to our loved one, only to at some point have to give up and leave us with someone who died during the procedures in the hands of the doctors instead of in our arms.
#101
Re: Bush signs Schiavo legislation
Well this discussion reminds me of my history teachers viewpoint. Everyone should be put out of life on reaching 65. Would save a lot of expense for families and Governments. The drawback is I would not be here to say this.
#102
Re: Bush signs Schiavo legislation
Originally Posted by candy wy.
and that is what in the end it comes down to money..
if you want to live at any cost you better have the money to do it.
because the way things are going anyone who needs to much health care will be allowed to die..
if you want to live at any cost you better have the money to do it.
because the way things are going anyone who needs to much health care will be allowed to die..
Thank god for the NHS, eh?
And hopefully the US will become enlightened one day.
#103
Re: Bush signs Schiavo legislation
Originally Posted by candy wy.
and who the hell are you god...
like i said did i mention any names...........
like i said did i mention any names...........
Stop being a judgemental fool and get off your moral high ground.
Now back to the point in question.
Give me one good reason why the husband of a woman that is in PVS and that he believes (based on a relationship with this woman) would be miserable in the condition she is in should not have the right to be an advocate for her.
The fact is: You (and me also) do not know anything about the issues at hand and what the relationship is between the two.
Time for people to mind their own business and stop imposing their morals and ethics on others.
It is the NOK's decision which the courts have backed. Simple as that.
#104
Re: Bush signs Schiavo legislation
Originally Posted by Iginla
If you don't understand something please don't get personal. Explain how I was being an ass with my statement?
I presume you mean intubated. If you really mean extubated, well because there is nothing more that can be done for them.
And why wouldn't they? ermmm, respiratory distress.
I presume you mean intubated. If you really mean extubated, well because there is nothing more that can be done for them.
And why wouldn't they? ermmm, respiratory distress.
they usually die from the high dose of morphine in the body and were not intubated to start with..
Last edited by candy wy.; Mar 24th 2005 at 9:23 pm.
#105
Re: Bush signs Schiavo legislation
Originally Posted by snowbunny
If there were no hope for recovery and the person had either made a living will or a DNR, then at some point they would be extubated and allowed to die.