British taxes and US taxes.
#1
British taxes and US taxes.
Hi,
I've been a LPR for three years living in Georgia and I need to ask a question about taxes. I have income from three pensions in the UK which is taxed in UK.
I also receive survivorship Social Security in the USA from my late wife's account.
My CPA, who I have just seen, insists that I have to pay taxes on my UK income and I'm sure that he is wrong on this.
Can someone please confirm for me whether I should pay taxes on my UK income? Thanks.
Hawkslayer. :curse:
I've been a LPR for three years living in Georgia and I need to ask a question about taxes. I have income from three pensions in the UK which is taxed in UK.
I also receive survivorship Social Security in the USA from my late wife's account.
My CPA, who I have just seen, insists that I have to pay taxes on my UK income and I'm sure that he is wrong on this.
Can someone please confirm for me whether I should pay taxes on my UK income? Thanks.
Hawkslayer. :curse:
Last edited by Hawkslayer; Apr 11th 2008 at 9:50 pm.
#2
Re: British taxes and US taxes.
Hi,
I've been a LPR for three years living in Georgia and I need to ask a question about taxes. I have income from three pensions in the UK which is taxed in UK.
I also receive survivorship Social Security in the UAS from my late wife's account.
My CPA, who I have just seen, insists that I have to pay taxes on my UK income and I'm sure that he is wrong on this.
Can someone please confirm for me whether I should pay taxes on my UK income? Thanks.
Hawkslayer. :curse:
I've been a LPR for three years living in Georgia and I need to ask a question about taxes. I have income from three pensions in the UK which is taxed in UK.
I also receive survivorship Social Security in the UAS from my late wife's account.
My CPA, who I have just seen, insists that I have to pay taxes on my UK income and I'm sure that he is wrong on this.
Can someone please confirm for me whether I should pay taxes on my UK income? Thanks.
Hawkslayer. :curse:
I'm pretty sure the CPA is wrong too.
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Ian
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http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p514.pdf
Ian sums up my understanding of the same. The pension we're dealing with is a little bit different, but I also want to underscore something Ian said--if your CPA doesn't know what he's doing (even if he tells you differently) be prepared to learn it yourself and file an amended return or be aware of the option for asking for an extension.
The first year sucks, and so do accountants who tell you they know what they're talking about when they don't (happened to us too).
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Yes, they don't mean for us mere mortals to understand it easily...
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p514.pdf
Ian sums up my understanding of the same. The pension we're dealing with is a little bit different, but I also want to underscore something Ian said--if your CPA doesn't know what he's doing (even if he tells you differently) be prepared to learn it yourself and file an amended return or be aware of the option for asking for an extension.
The first year sucks, and so do accountants who tell you they know what they're talking about when they don't (happened to us too).
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p514.pdf
Ian sums up my understanding of the same. The pension we're dealing with is a little bit different, but I also want to underscore something Ian said--if your CPA doesn't know what he's doing (even if he tells you differently) be prepared to learn it yourself and file an amended return or be aware of the option for asking for an extension.
The first year sucks, and so do accountants who tell you they know what they're talking about when they don't (happened to us too).
Next year I intend going to a different CPA and see what he/she makes of it all. Thanks again.
Hawkslayer..
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Re: British taxes and US taxes.
I'd echo the idea that you shouldn't end up paying tax twice, but I believe that except for obscure sources of income, there's only one "correct" way to pay tax. The UK-US treaty should set out who gets to tax what income.
I don't believe it's safe to say "I've already paid tax in the other country on that, so I won't bother declaring it here". If you look at the US foreign tax credit, you can take a credit for foreign tax paid that was rightfully due and is not refundable. If you've paid tax in the "wrong" place, that tax wasn't due, and is refundable, and that's the way to go.
I don't believe it's safe to say "I've already paid tax in the other country on that, so I won't bother declaring it here". If you look at the US foreign tax credit, you can take a credit for foreign tax paid that was rightfully due and is not refundable. If you've paid tax in the "wrong" place, that tax wasn't due, and is refundable, and that's the way to go.
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All depends on whether the income is considered to have been "taxed at source."
A pension is iffy.... even if you paid taxes to fund it indirectly (eg on your income whilst working).
Mo and Ian are right; you need someone who knows what they are doing. And this thread belongs in The Trailer Park, no? (I have a tax question of my own lol -- if one's employer has a 401(k) plan (no matching) and one doesn't participate, can one write off the whole contribution to a traditional IRA?)
A pension is iffy.... even if you paid taxes to fund it indirectly (eg on your income whilst working).
Mo and Ian are right; you need someone who knows what they are doing. And this thread belongs in The Trailer Park, no? (I have a tax question of my own lol -- if one's employer has a 401(k) plan (no matching) and one doesn't participate, can one write off the whole contribution to a traditional IRA?)
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SB, I should've moved it yesterday.. but to USA I think. It's a serious question, afterall.
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Re: British taxes and US taxes.
That's how he'll be looking at it, from your point of view you'll be seeing that you don't need to pay taxes.
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Re: British taxes and US taxes.
Hi,
I've been a LPR for three years living in Georgia and I need to ask a question about taxes. I have income from three pensions in the UK which is taxed in UK.
I also receive survivorship Social Security in the USA from my late wife's account.
My CPA, who I have just seen, insists that I have to pay taxes on my UK income and I'm sure that he is wrong on this.
Can someone please confirm for me whether I should pay taxes on my UK income? Thanks.
Hawkslayer. :curse:
I've been a LPR for three years living in Georgia and I need to ask a question about taxes. I have income from three pensions in the UK which is taxed in UK.
I also receive survivorship Social Security in the USA from my late wife's account.
My CPA, who I have just seen, insists that I have to pay taxes on my UK income and I'm sure that he is wrong on this.
Can someone please confirm for me whether I should pay taxes on my UK income? Thanks.
Hawkslayer. :curse:
It has to be declared on my US tax return. My accountant then shows the tax paid in the UK.
If I would have had to pay say $6000 dollars in tax on that money in the US I can deduct from that the tax paid in the UK. In practical terms the tax I pay in the UK has so far been more than any Federal or State income tax due on that money and I therefore have paid no tax on it in the US at all.
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Re: British taxes and US taxes.
I have a UK government pension which has to be taxed in the UK.
It has to be declared on my US tax return. My accountant then shows the tax paid in the UK.
If I would have had to pay say $6000 dollars in tax on that money in the US I can deduct from that the tax paid in the UK. In practical terms the tax I pay in the UK has so far been more than any Federal or State income tax due on that money and I therefore have paid no tax on it in the US at all.
It has to be declared on my US tax return. My accountant then shows the tax paid in the UK.
If I would have had to pay say $6000 dollars in tax on that money in the US I can deduct from that the tax paid in the UK. In practical terms the tax I pay in the UK has so far been more than any Federal or State income tax due on that money and I therefore have paid no tax on it in the US at all.
But your example does illustrate why as lj2 points out, the CPA is effectively correct in that you do have to declare the UK-taxable pension income on a US tax return and then claim the foreign tax credit for UK tax paid. Only if there is specific tax treaty exemption for the type of income in question would this not be true.
Last edited by Giantaxe; Apr 12th 2008 at 9:19 pm.
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So if for example I paid $6000 tax in the UK and Federal tax would have been $4000, I can use the remaining $2000 to offset State tax. At least that is how the CPA explained it and I go with their far greater knowledge.