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J Bentley Feb 26th 2014 5:14 am

British Plumber in Arizona
 
Hi,

I'm a british plumber recently moved to arizona.


I'm wondering if there is any british plumbers moved to arizona or southwest usa, that could give me any advice and answer me a couple of questions.

To be honest I didn't think the plumbing would be so much different to uk plumbing

Thanks

RICH Feb 26th 2014 5:54 am

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 
Hello! Welcome.

l assume you did not move in order to be a plumber. What is your story?

I am in Florida, but I wonder what it is you find different about plumbing in AZ?

Feel free to ask your questions:)

md95065 Feb 26th 2014 6:59 am

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 
:popcorn:

Pulaski Feb 26th 2014 1:11 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 
Advice: Let's start with "You need a state licence, which likely requires x hours of classroom education plus an extended period of practical experience", effectively an apprenticeship. You should be able to switch an out of state licence, but I doubt they'll do that for a British plumbing qualification.

Ruth16 Feb 26th 2014 2:35 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 

Originally Posted by J Bentley (Post 11148723)
Hi,

I'm a british plumber recently moved to arizona.


I'm wondering if there is any british plumbers moved to arizona or southwest usa, that could give me any advice and answer me a couple of questions.

To be honest I didn't think the plumbing would be so much different to uk plumbing

Thanks

Don't you have to take courses in England to get a plumbers license ? Well it's the same in the US, anyhow good luck, I've never known of a poor plumber or Electrician, :)

Pulaski Feb 26th 2014 2:39 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 

Originally Posted by Ruth16 (Post 11149364)
.... I've never known of a poor plumber or Electrician, :)

That depends what you mean by "poor". I've seen the results of the work of a number of poor ones, though I'll agree, none I know of are short of money. :lol:

jibsymalone Feb 26th 2014 2:41 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11149229)
Advice: Let's start with "You need a state licence, which likely requires x hours of classroom education plus an extended period of practical experience", effectively an apprenticeship. You should be able to switch an out of state licence, but I doubt they'll do that for a British plumbing qualification.

I don't think there is a minimum requirement for classroom hours, but there is usually a requirement for experience, usually around 4 years.

He may be able to use his experience from the UK to qualify for this. If thats the case then all he would have to do is study the code and take the required tests. A lot of the time there are seminars that can help with the code parts, give some pointers etc. (there is for electrical anyway).

found this, helps explain things specific to Arizona:

http://www.usaplumbing.info/license/...e-requirements

jibsymalone Feb 26th 2014 2:41 pm

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Originally Posted by Ruth16 (Post 11149364)
Don't you have to take courses in England to get a plumbers license ? Well it's the same in the US, anyhow good luck, I've never known of a poor plumber or Electrician, :)

Right here!!!! lol

Pulaski Feb 26th 2014 2:52 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 

Originally Posted by jibsymalone (Post 11149369)
I don't think there is a minimum requirement for classroom hours, .....

You may be correct, but I know that plumbing is one of the classes taught by community colleges. Perhaps the plumbing tests are like taking a driving test, lessons are not necessary, but may be a good idea for most people, though not necessarily all.

jibsymalone Feb 26th 2014 3:00 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11149381)
You may be correct, but I know that plumbing is one of the classes taught by community colleges. Perhaps the plumbing tests are like taking a driving test, lessons are not necessary, but may be a good idea for most people, though not necessarily all.

Exactly.

I would suggest; however, that he take at the very least a code class and get himself very familier with the plumbing code over here. I am sure there will be a huge difference on work done here to what he is used to in England. The electrical license tests here in Florida are pretty much exclusively out of the code book, needing to know where to look and how to effectively navigate the code book in the allotted time for the test is a necessary skill to have. Sure you need to know how to do several calculations, but they all refer back to the code book at some point.

Of course all of this is based off my experience in the electrical field here in Florida. Where (believe it or not) a license is not required at all by the state to be an electrician or plumber (but you need one to be a hairdresser:blink:)! This is something to do with it being a right to work (for less) state and blah, blah, blah. Arizona, and the plumbing field could be vastly different so i would begin asking around. If you are interested in joining a union you can find your nearest local online and go and talk to them, see what they have to offer?

Bob Feb 26th 2014 3:22 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 

Originally Posted by jibsymalone (Post 11149393)
Exactly.

I would suggest; however, that he take at the very least a code class and get himself very familier with the plumbing code over here. I am sure there will be a huge difference on work done here to what he is used to in England. The electrical license tests here in Florida are pretty much exclusively out of the code book, needing to know where to look and how to effectively navigate the code book in the allotted time for the test is a necessary skill to have. Sure you need to know how to do several calculations, but they all refer back to the code book at some point.

Of course all of this is based off my experience in the electrical field here in Florida. Where (believe it or not) a license is not required at all by the state to be an electrician or plumber (but you need one to be a hairdresser:blink:)! This is something to do with it being a right to work (for less) state and blah, blah, blah. Arizona, and the plumbing field could be vastly different so i would begin asking around. If you are interested in joining a union you can find your nearest local online and go and talk to them, see what they have to offer?

Down my way, experience can be used to knock off community college classes, but there are still some required to take the test, on codes like you say.

The thing is, you still need to have had x number of years working with a qualified local to get a license of your own so that you can get your own insurance and be self employed and the reality is, companies generally only hire kids out of voc schools who have graduated in the whole program so they don't have to faff about trying to figure out if the experience is appropriate and the big one, to keep the liability insurance valid.

That's not to say there aren't a lot of folks hanging out at Home Depot, looking to get day labour jobs, but then they get hired as day labourers and not qualified, skilled carpenters/electricians/plumbers etc.

jibsymalone Feb 26th 2014 3:45 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 

Originally Posted by Bob (Post 11149426)
Down my way, experience can be used to knock off community college classes, but there are still some required to take the test, on codes like you say.

The thing is, you still need to have had x number of years working with a qualified local to get a license of your own so that you can get your own insurance and be self employed and the reality is, companies generally only hire kids out of voc schools who have graduated in the whole program so they don't have to faff about trying to figure out if the experience is appropriate and the big one, to keep the liability insurance valid.

That's not to say there aren't a lot of folks hanging out at Home Depot, looking to get day labour jobs, but then they get hired as day labourers and not qualified, skilled carpenters/electricians/plumbers etc.

Again there are vast differences state to state. I am an instructor at our locals apprenticeship program. I have have seen apprentices vary in age from 18/19 YO all the way to people in their 40's. We (again this is electrical) tend to work for contractors, as employees, so the self employed and insured thing is not an issue. the only things needed to take your journeyman license here is 4 years verifiable experience and a good knowledge of the code. If you want to be a contractor, then that is a completely different license all together, in our case a masters license with the business law test on top.

There are however technical colleges that teach "electrical" classes, at a huge price, promising to have people qualified in less than a year and that also help with job placement. they fail to inform these people that there is a 4 year minimum on experience that they need to have to take the license test. So they graduate with a diploma or whatever, go to try and take their test only to find out they can't, they also have very limited hands on experience so struggle to find a position much above a helper! Their idea of helping with job placement is essentially to take a page from the yellow pages and say "here, cal these people" I would like to get a lot more for $12-20k!!

Bob Feb 26th 2014 3:59 pm

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Originally Posted by jibsymalone (Post 11149467)
Again there are vast differences state to state. I am an instructor at our locals apprenticeship program. I have have seen apprentices vary in age from 18/19 YO all the way to people in their 40's.....

That is so true.

I'm only going by the local voc high school, because the missus is one of the business advisor's there, admittedly not for that part of the school but she deals with those students with basic business/banking for the contractor part of things they go over.

On a tangent, it's amusing how much basic reading/writing/maths is included in the course and how badly a lot of the kids were with the basics till they started the voc school and now realise why they're handy skills to have, being able to read plans, codes, write receipts, not get ripped off etc, so suddenly they "get" it and make huge improvements which is pretty cool.

jibsymalone Feb 26th 2014 4:54 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 

Originally Posted by Bob (Post 11149491)

On a tangent, it's amusing how much basic reading/writing/maths is included in the course and how badly a lot of the kids were with the basics till they started the voc school and now realise why they're handy skills to have, being able to read plans, codes, write receipts, not get ripped off etc, so suddenly they "get" it and make huge improvements which is pretty cool.

Absolutely!

It always amuses me, when I teach the Tech. math course to the new intake, how many of them suddenly understand trigonometry, algebra, vectors, etc. when they realise there are (1) real world applications for such things and (2) knowing this stuff will actually make them decent money once the complete the apprenticeship. In fact, when teaching ratios and percentages and such i usually use monetary values as i have found they can relate to these a lot better and of course this holds their interest a lot more!

J Bentley Feb 26th 2014 4:56 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 
Thanks,

I owned my own bathroom remodeling company in England for 8 years,
We moved here due to my dad being here for 14 years and love it here.

What I'm struggling to find is a company (like mine was)
That did the complete bath remodeling.

So I looked into plumbing servicemen jobs because there is a few jobs here,
I had 3 interviews with different companies, and choose one for a day trial,
First question they asked me is do I have experience in sales???
Over here the plumbers work on commission and try to sell other problems in the house to get better commission.

I walked away after the day trial, I felt like we were searching for little problems to rip the customer off.

The plumbing is a lot different in az to the uk,
Bath tubs, toilets, drainage fitted different to England.

Different kind of Pipes.

I can't find any online to read up on general plumbing in az.

I'd love to find a british plumber who has set up over here.

Thanks

mikelincs Feb 26th 2014 5:16 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 

Originally Posted by J Bentley (Post 11149574)
Thanks,

I owned my own bathroom remodeling company in England for 8 years,
We moved here due to my dad being here for 14 years and love it here.

What I'm struggling to find is a company (like mine was)
That did the complete bath remodeling.

So I looked into plumbing servicemen jobs because there is a few jobs here,
I had 3 interviews with different companies, and choose one for a day trial,
First question they asked me is do I have experience in sales???
Over here the plumbers work on commission and try to sell other problems in the house to get better commission.

I walked away after the day trial, I felt like we were searching for little problems to rip the customer off.

The plumbing is a lot different in az to the uk,
Bath tubs, toilets, drainage fitted different to England.

Different kind of Pipes.

I can't find any online to read up on general plumbing in az.

I'd love to find a british plumber who has set up over here.

Thanks

Post #7 has a link you should study, will tell you what is needed to become a licenced plumber.

Giantaxe Feb 26th 2014 6:51 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 

Originally Posted by J Bentley (Post 11149574)
The plumbing is a lot different in az to the uk,
Bath tubs, toilets, drainage fitted different to England.

Different kind of Pipes.

I can't find any online to read up on general plumbing in az.

I'd love to find a british plumber who has set up over here.

Thanks

There must be a plumbing building code for AZ that you can read.

I hired a British plumber in CA about 15 years ago. He had his own business. Unfortunately, I don't have his contact info so other than to say it's possible, I can't help much.

Flabound oneday Feb 27th 2014 11:56 am

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 

Originally Posted by jibsymalone (Post 11149393)
Of course all of this is based off my experience in the electrical field here in Florida. Where (believe it or not) a license is not required at all by the state to be an electrician or plumber (but you need one to be a hairdresser:blink:)! ?


I think I have to disagree, just going through the residential contractor licensing thing myself and I would 99.9% say that the 3 trades that do need state licensing are electrician, plumber and ac.....painters,handymen etc need county licenses but the big 3 need state certification


http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr...lectrical.html

jibsymalone Feb 27th 2014 1:39 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 

Originally Posted by Flabound oneday (Post 11150645)
I think I have to disagree, just going through the residential contractor licensing thing myself and I would 99.9% say that the 3 trades that do need state licensing are electrician, plumber and ac.....painters,handymen etc need county licenses but the big 3 need state certification


http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr...lectrical.html

Not to be an electrician working for a contractor.
To be a contractor? Then yes a license is absolutely needed. But to become a regular journeyman electrician / plumber no.

There are stipulations on how many licensed journeymen a contractor must have on jobsites, and this varies depending on whether they are an EC or ER and if the site is residential or commercial/industrial. outside of this the contractor can hire as many unlicensed electricians as he likes. This is something my union (IBEW) and NECA has been fighting for a while down here.

Flabound oneday Feb 27th 2014 1:45 pm

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ah gotcha, yes you are 'hiding' under their license so they are the responsible ones.................

jibsymalone Feb 27th 2014 1:47 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 

Originally Posted by Flabound oneday (Post 11150774)
ah gotcha, yes you are 'hiding' under their license so they are the responsible ones.................

Exactly! This is why they have journeymen, masters and contractors licenses.

S Folinsky Feb 27th 2014 9:27 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 
I can speak only for California. Plumbers are not licensed as plumbers. However, plumbing CONTRACTORS are licensed.

Sometimes, construction unions might be involved for some jobs: http://www.ualocal469.org/

Redwing Feb 28th 2014 9:02 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 

Originally Posted by S Folinsky (Post 11151430)
I can speak only for California. Plumbers are not licensed as plumbers. However, plumbing CONTRACTORS are licensed.

Sometimes, construction unions might be involved for some jobs: http://www.ualocal469.org/

That is also true of some other states. There is also a difference between plumbers and pipefitters.

stevie223 Mar 2nd 2014 4:31 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 
Yeah im in the same boat as you. I was a plumber in Northern Ireland and some things are the same but the vast majority is different or the way they do things are different. Im currently working for a plumbing company but ive been told i have to get a plumber in training card. I dont think our British qualifications are accepted over here

J Bentley Mar 4th 2014 12:04 am

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 

Originally Posted by stevie223 (Post 11154884)
Yeah im in the same boat as you. I was a plumber in Northern Ireland and some things are the same but the vast majority is different or the way they do things are different. Im currently working for a plumbing company but ive been told i have to get a plumber in training card. I dont think our British qualifications are accepted over here

Hi Stevie,

Are you working a day hourly rate or commission work?

Only plumbing work I can find is commission.
Also the hourly rate less than uk rate for a plumber

Ruth16 Mar 4th 2014 12:16 am

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 

Originally Posted by stevie223 (Post 11154884)
Yeah im in the same boat as you. I was a plumber in Northern Ireland and some things are the same but the vast majority is different or the way they do things are different. Im currently working for a plumbing company but ive been told i have to get a plumber in training card. I dont think our British qualifications are accepted over here

Why would you think the same qualifications would be accepted in another country ? Drivers licenses aren't even accepted in a different country permanently are they ? Codes can even vary from State to State in the US.

stevie223 Mar 4th 2014 12:45 pm

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J Bentley, im getting an hourly rate. Its alot less for sure, they are paying me an apprentice rate even though i know alot more. I guess it is what it is but i mean i dont know if i want to go through another 4/5 years of an apprenticeship again. I might consider doing something else

mamasue Mar 4th 2014 5:39 pm

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I think the only qualification you need here in GA is to be overweight and have a lot of bum-crack showing when you bend!!!:eek:

Ruth16 Mar 4th 2014 9:53 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 

Originally Posted by mamasue (Post 11158071)
I think the only qualification you need here in GA is to be overweight and have a lot of bum-crack showing when you bend!!!:eek:

Bum- cracks are for holding a pencil :(

Boiler Mar 4th 2014 10:15 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 
I know at least one in CO. I think he pretty much started from scratch and has to be licensed etc to pull permits. Has his own business.

Plenty of DIY books and then of course code books.

Then there are a few guys who do remodeling but pull in plumbers/electricians etc.

MMcD Mar 4th 2014 11:42 pm

Re: British Plumber in Arizona
 
Take a look at this forum - where you may be better served than here in BE for answers to your concerns from other professionals in your field......

http://www.terrylove.com/forums/forum.php?

It's a great site - I've often gone here (as a homeowner), just to inform myself, when trying to solve a plumbing conundrum.


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