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Come Ere Butt Mar 6th 2017 9:29 pm

British Actors moving to the States
 
This doesn't apply to my situation at all, it's just something I've often pondered but never really asked anyone about!

It seems with actors from the UK who decide to move to the US, have a lot easier time/less obstacles than people from other industries. Is this because the rule where companies have to prove why an American can't do the job is exempt? Possibly due to the nature of acting roles which can be more bespoke and harder to fill?

I'm guessing the British actors who do move to LA have already got themselves an agent who sign the necessary paperwork?

Any actors here who've made the leap? Did you know anyone who had a good/bad experience?

Thanks guys and I appreciate it's a random subject.

Pulaski Mar 6th 2017 9:36 pm

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There are better visa options - performance and exceptional talent visas that can be applied relatively easily to an actor's situation.

As I understand it, actors have a harder time with the Equity union restrictions (both US and UK) than getting a visa - which is why Broadway and West End shows that "transfer" rarely do so with more than one or two of their leading actors.

Also, as I suspect happens in some cases, successful performers simply "buy a greencard" using EB-5 (cost starting at $500k, plus approximately $60k of fees). I remember hearing back in the 1980's that Mark Knopfler had bought an apartment building, in Los Angeles I think, and I have long suspected that there were reasons for it other than purely financial reasons.

scrubbedexpat097 Mar 7th 2017 3:22 am

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12198706)
There are better visa options - performance and exceptional talent visas that can be applied relatively easily to an actor's situation.

As I understand it, actors have a harder time with the Equity union restrictions (both US and UK) than getting a visa - which is why Broadway and West End shows that "transfer" rarely do so with more than one or two of their leading actors.

Also, as I suspect happens in some cases, successful performers simply "buy a greencard" using EB-5 (cost starting at $500k, plus approximately $60k of fees). I remember hearing back in the 1980's that Mark Knopfler had bought an apartment building, in Los Angeles I think, and I have long suspected that there were reasons for it other than purely financial reasons.

Adam Ant aka Stuart Goddard went through his Green Card appointment and physical the same day as us. He had been waiting almost as long as we did for the interview date and he didn't get any preferentail treatment either. He was actually a really friendly guy. He wished us luck when he left the building. Our 9 and 10 year old were star struck :lol:

dave2702 Mar 8th 2017 5:33 pm

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I believe a lot of actors looking for jobs come over on Visa Waiver, get to go to lots of auditions. If they get a role then the Studio will deal with the paper work (probably an O visa

Several actors and comedians I follow on Twitter & Instagram seem to be in the US for less than 90 days :)

livinginnyc Mar 8th 2017 7:53 pm

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AFAIK - 'Established' (as in have been in some stuff) Actors/Actresses can obtain their visa via their talent management agency (like CAA, ICM, WME.etc .etc) that effectively sponsor them. The visa process is slightly different pending how high profile/talented the individual is, but USCIS can and will contact the production company (not necessarily a studio per-se) for endorsement/verification.

- My source for this information was from an interesting article I read in The Hollywood Reporter a year or so ago.

Jerseygirl Mar 8th 2017 7:56 pm

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Originally Posted by Sugarmooma (Post 12198855)
Adam Ant aka Stuart Goddard went through his Green Card appointment and physical the same day as us. He had been waiting almost as long as we did for the interview date and he didn't get any preferentail treatment either. He was actually a really friendly guy. He wished us luck when he left the building. Our 9 and 10 year old were star struck :lol:

I sat next to Roger Daltrey, May 1996, at the US Embassy in London. He was waiting for an interview for an US visa...he too had received no preferential treatment.

dave2702 Mar 8th 2017 8:16 pm

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12200289)
I sat next to Roger Daltrey, May 1996, at the US Embassy in London. He was waiting for an interview for an US visa...he too had received no preferential treatment.

I met Richard Bacon there about a year ago. They'd turned down his first application and had consequently lost a job

Jerseygirl Mar 8th 2017 8:41 pm

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Originally Posted by dave2702 (Post 12200306)
I met Richard Bacon there about a year ago. They'd turned down his first application and had consequently lost a job

Who? :unsure: We left the UK in '96. If you had said Kevin Bacon I would have known who you meant. ;)

moneypenny20 Mar 8th 2017 11:34 pm

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Originally Posted by dave2702 (Post 12200306)
I met Richard Bacon there about a year ago. They'd turned down his first application and had consequently lost a job

Doesn't he have a drug conviction?

kimilseung Mar 9th 2017 12:23 am

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I seem to remember something about a performers name having to be bigger than the shows name, as a rule of thumb if they can move with the show. But this maybe is completely apocryphal.

scrubbedexpat097 Mar 9th 2017 1:10 am

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12200324)
Who? :unsure: We left the UK in '96. If you had said Kevin Bacon I would have known who you meant. ;)

I just checked him out on IMDB and I'm none the wiser:blink:

But I guess there are a lot of people we are unaware of that are well known now.

Alan17 Mar 9th 2017 2:10 am

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12200463)
Doesn't he have a drug conviction?

Never heard of him. According to IMDb biggest claim to fame is getting kicked off Blue Peter for snorting coke.

moneypenny20 Mar 9th 2017 7:53 am

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Originally Posted by Alan17 (Post 12200521)
Never heard of him. According to IMDb biggest claim to fame is getting kicked off Blue Peter for snorting coke.

I knew drugs were involved somewhere. :lol: Do the US need a drug conviction or does being splashed all over the UK media do the same thing?;)

scrubbedexpat099 Mar 9th 2017 3:42 pm

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Reason to believe can be enough to refuse a visa.

Harveyspecter Mar 12th 2017 1:23 am

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Yes, Richard Bacon was part of Blue Peter for a long time until he was caught on camera snorting cocaine. I thought the same thing when I saw him with a TV show here. Although he was fired I can't see any info on him actually getting convicted of drug use so maybe that's the loophole that got him a visa. Though how he got away with not being at least arrested after the video evidence came up puzzles me. Anyway!

g1ant Mar 12th 2017 5:57 am

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12200289)
I sat next to Roger Daltrey, May 1996, at the US Embassy in London. He was waiting for an interview for an US visa...he too had received no preferential treatment.

Who???

vikingsail Mar 12th 2017 7:30 am

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Originally Posted by g1ant (Post 12202745)
Who???

He won't get fooled again!

kimilseung Mar 12th 2017 9:57 pm

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On a related note. The Italian band "Soviet Soviet" were recently booted out of the States after arriving on ESTA with the plan to play promotional gigs without fee. I am seeing on line in many places horror at this story (Trump seems to take a lot of the blame), despite to the best of my knowledge that work (paid or unpaid) is not allowed on the visa waiver program.

scrubbedexpat099 Mar 13th 2017 1:08 am

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On Tuesday, prominent immigration attorney Brian Taylor Goldstein, whose practice is centered on working with artists seeking to tour the U.S., published a lengthy article advising international musicians about the current — and shifting — challenges regarding immigration policy under the Trump administration. Goldstein wrote:

"Given that the new Order specifically requires heightened vetting and screening of those 'who seek to enter the United States on a fraudulent basis', there is going to be even more scrutiny and less forgiveness than ever before with regard to artists attempting to enter the US on visitor visas (B-1/B-2) or through the Visa Waiver Program ('ESTA'). We are already receiving reports of artists being held and detained for hours upon entering the US to determine whether or not they are performing. Even artists entering as visitors for the purpose of attending a conference or 'performing a showcase' are being pulled aside and, in many cases, being refused entry. Artists entering with B-1/B-2 visas or through the Visa Waiver Program (ESTA) are being pulled aside the moment they say that they are 'entertainers', 'performers', or 'artists.' ... In short, an Immigration Officer has the unfettered authority and discretion to deny entry to any artist from any nationality for any reason. To what extent this authority will be exercised remains to be seen."
In a more hotly contested portion of his post, Goldstein also said that ESTA and visitor visas don't provide artists enough cover, even for unpaid work, and that their continued use by bands could spur serious consequences:

"Artists cannot perform on visitor visas (B-1/B-2) or through the Visa Waiver Program ("ESTA") regardless of whether or not they are being paid and regarding of whether or not tickets are sold. Except in the most narrowly defined circumstances, US immigration law has always defined "work" as it pertains to artists, as any kind of performance. Artists denied entry on the basis of fraud, will have a denied entry on their record, impeding future visas and travel."
Goldstein instead urged visiting bands to get "O" or "P" work visas designed for working entertainers.

Jerseygirl Mar 13th 2017 1:13 am

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Originally Posted by vikingsail (Post 12202770)
He won't get fooled again!

We knew it all along!

RICH Mar 15th 2017 3:52 am

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It seems to me lately, every new TV show I watch has a Brit actor, quite often the star. I am a bit out of touch so do IMDB, and find they were in Eastenders or something. Lucifer, Ransom and Taken come to mind, but others too.

Pulaski Mar 15th 2017 4:07 am

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Originally Posted by RICH (Post 12204932)
It seems to me lately, every new TV show I watch has a Brit actor, quite often the star. I am a bit out of touch so do IMDB, and find they were in Eastenders or something. Lucifer, Ransom and Taken come to mind, but others too.

This isn't exactly news - Roger Rees was in Cheers, Ian McShane was in Dynasty, Deadwood, and a number of other TV shows, and Hugh Laurie starred in House. .... British actors have been popping up in American TV shows for almost as long as there's been TV. Before that there was Stan Laurel and Charlie Chaplin, among others, in Hollywood films.

Dorothy Mar 15th 2017 4:10 am

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Originally Posted by RICH (Post 12204932)
It seems to me lately, every new TV show I watch has a Brit actor, quite often the star. I am a bit out of touch so do IMDB, and find they were in Eastenders or something. Lucifer, Ransom and Taken come to mind, but others too.

The Affair. Two of the 4 lead actors are British. Dominic West and Ruth Wilson are both English

RICH Mar 15th 2017 4:20 am

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12204934)
This isn't exactly news - Roger Rees was in Cheers, Ian McShane was in Dynasty, Deadwood, and a number of other TV shows, and Hugh Laurie starred in House. .... British actors have been popping up in American TV shows for almost as long as there's been TV. Before that there was Stan Laurel and Charlie Chaplin, among others, in Hollywood films.

I said Lately. Hardly a current mainstream show without one. I forgot to mention the ladies in Conviction, Blindspot, Pure Genius. I have to admit, never heard of Roger Rees!

scrubbedexpat097 Mar 15th 2017 6:54 am

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Originally Posted by RICH (Post 12204936)
I said Lately. Hardly a current mainstream show without one. I forgot to mention the ladies in Conviction, Blindspot, Pure Genius. I have to admit, never heard of Roger Rees!

You have to have the token Brit. It's the law!

moneypenny20 Mar 15th 2017 9:22 am

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Originally Posted by Sugarmooma (Post 12204972)
You have to have the token Brit. It's the law!

Who else would play the bad guy?

scrubbedexpat097 Mar 15th 2017 12:20 pm

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12205057)
Who else would play the bad guy?

Exactly. The day of the bad Russians has gone....:lol::sneaky:


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