Brazilian family intends to sue police
Jul 25th 2005, 5:22 pm
#46
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Re: Bralian family intends to sue police
Originally Posted by Manc
Only if you're wearing a coat and running
suicide bomber behavouir that is.
suicide bomber behavouir that is.
Sh*t! I always wear a coat in Blighty -- so freakin' cold! Don't usually run, though so I may be okay.
Jul 25th 2005, 5:23 pm
#47
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Re: Bralian family intends to sue police
Originally Posted by elfman
That's unfair (and bordering on offensive to the family) and you know it.
If a close relative of yours visiting New York was overpowered and shot seven times in the head by the NYPD when he hadn't committed any crime other than overstaying his visa and then doing a runner when confronted by armed men in plain clothes yelling at him, are you saying you wouldn't sue? Get real.
If a close relative of yours visiting New York was overpowered and shot seven times in the head by the NYPD when he hadn't committed any crime other than overstaying his visa and then doing a runner when confronted by armed men in plain clothes yelling at him, are you saying you wouldn't sue? Get real.
But I am sure I would sue as well!
Jul 25th 2005, 5:26 pm
#48
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Re: Bralian family intends to sue police
The interesting thing about this case is that the major point of claim will be lost income from his working in the UK illegally.
I do not know the law on this, assuming it would have some court precedent, akin to suing for lost criminal income?
Against public policy?
Anyone know?
I do not know the law on this, assuming it would have some court precedent, akin to suing for lost criminal income?
Against public policy?
Anyone know?
Jul 25th 2005, 5:26 pm
#49
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Re: Bralian family intends to sue police
Originally Posted by AmerLisa
Maybe people, if they decide to run, should carry large placards that state "I'm not a terrorist" perhaps that might help to single them out a bit better. 
Jul 25th 2005, 5:27 pm
#50
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Re: Bralian family intends to sue police
Originally Posted by elfman
Like you wouldn't be angry in their situation?
At least try and empathize.
At least try and empathize.
Jul 25th 2005, 5:28 pm
#51
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Re: Bralian family intends to sue police
If I put myself in the policeman's shoes, I can't say I would have done anything different given the evidence that is available so far.
The guy made the mistake of running into the tube station after he was asked to stop, which made the police think he might have been a suicide bomber who was therefore an immedaite threat to the public; the police made the correct decision with the information they had at the time.
The guy made the mistake of running into the tube station after he was asked to stop, which made the police think he might have been a suicide bomber who was therefore an immedaite threat to the public; the police made the correct decision with the information they had at the time.
Jul 25th 2005, 5:29 pm
#52
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Re: Bralian family intends to sue police
Originally Posted by dbickle
I'd be angry but I'd also be rational. I would not be talking about suing while my relative was still lying in the morgue. I'd bury them, take time to grieve and then maybe talk about lawsuits.
Obviously you do not.
Jul 25th 2005, 5:30 pm
#53
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Re: Bralian family intends to sue police
Originally Posted by CitySimon
Do you think that on any day prior to September 11th or the London Bombings he would have been shot?
There is an understandably increased level of security in London at this time. The police know that there is a cell of prospective suicide bombers operating in London... They are still on the loose!
If a random guy was killed for just running from the police on any other day, I would say that there was a cause for serious outcry. Even another argument for British Police not carrying firearms!
We now know that he ran because his visa had expired... The policemen who confronted him last Friday AM did not have the luxury of knowing that. They were operating on intelligence found on the scene of one of the previous days attempted bombs. They had to make a decision based on what they knew at the time.
Hindsight has 20-20 vision.
There is an understandably increased level of security in London at this time. The police know that there is a cell of prospective suicide bombers operating in London... They are still on the loose!
If a random guy was killed for just running from the police on any other day, I would say that there was a cause for serious outcry. Even another argument for British Police not carrying firearms!
We now know that he ran because his visa had expired... The policemen who confronted him last Friday AM did not have the luxury of knowing that. They were operating on intelligence found on the scene of one of the previous days attempted bombs. They had to make a decision based on what they knew at the time.
Hindsight has 20-20 vision.
Jul 25th 2005, 5:31 pm
#54
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Re: Bralian family intends to sue police
Originally Posted by fatbrit
Sh*t! I always wear a coat in Blighty -- so freakin' cold! Don't usually run, though so I may be okay.
Presumptive of me, sort of assuming no!
Jul 25th 2005, 5:32 pm
#55
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Re: Bralian family intends to sue police
Originally Posted by Manc
so what law was changed since July 7th.
in order that allows police to kill people
show me that link first.
in order that allows police to kill people
show me that link first.
Jul 25th 2005, 5:39 pm
#56
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Re: Bralian family intends to sue police
Originally Posted by krizzy
There was no law change.....police could shot to kill since 1967......BBC news....go look that link up there..........
If it's ok to shoot people now,
why is he sorry?
Last edited by Manc; Jul 25th 2005 at 5:44 pm.
Jul 25th 2005, 5:45 pm
#57
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Re: Bralian family intends to sue police
Originally Posted by Boiler
The interesting thing about this case is that the major point of claim will be lost income from his working in the UK illegally.
I do not know the law on this, assuming it would have some court precedent, akin to suing for lost criminal income?
Against public policy?
Anyone know?
I do not know the law on this, assuming it would have some court precedent, akin to suing for lost criminal income?
Against public policy?
Anyone know?
Jul 25th 2005, 5:47 pm
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Re: Bralian family intends to sue police
Originally Posted by Manc
If it's ok to shoot people now,
why is he sorry?
why is he sorry?
Jul 25th 2005, 5:47 pm
#59
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Re: Bralian family intends to sue police
Originally Posted by krizzy
Is it a crime to work illegally anymore..........is it a crime to carry a bomb on London transport.......is it a crime to entre a country without a visa.....answers on a post card to.....I Don't care because I don't used the subway house.....I'm too posh to have illegals live near me street...lala land..PC4E 666...
Jul 25th 2005, 5:50 pm
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Re: Bralian family intends to sue police
Originally Posted by krizzy
And people doing the bombings play on the idea that we are better than that..!...and that..I believe is our downfall.....its why we are sitting targets........its why more and more people will die on their way to work in London....NewYork.....anywhere.......because we are so nice....its not evil to try to save people from being blown up.....its just sad that the first time this happens its some dozy sod who had to run into a subway and not the park the day after a bomb attack........
How much collateral damage is acceptable?