Birthright citizenship?
Jan 5th 2006, 1:20 pm
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Re: Birthright citizenship?
Originally Posted by snowbunny
I disagree.
The 14th Amendment helps preserve one of the very few vestiges of a nation who once "welcomed" immigrants.
The new legislation is specifically targeted towards Mexican and Central/South American alien parents who cross the border to have their child, or who are already here illegally. If there is any reason to expect a difficult birth or an ill infant, the outcome will be better here even in the poorest hospital than back home.
We get right back to the fact that the US government continues to deliberately exploit cheap labour by not even trying to close the border and by not punishing companies that use the labour. Yet these same people want to strip a baby of citizenship. Charming.
The 14th Amendment helps preserve one of the very few vestiges of a nation who once "welcomed" immigrants.
The new legislation is specifically targeted towards Mexican and Central/South American alien parents who cross the border to have their child, or who are already here illegally. If there is any reason to expect a difficult birth or an ill infant, the outcome will be better here even in the poorest hospital than back home.
We get right back to the fact that the US government continues to deliberately exploit cheap labour by not even trying to close the border and by not punishing companies that use the labour. Yet these same people want to strip a baby of citizenship. Charming.
Jan 5th 2006, 1:24 pm
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Re: Birthright citizenship?
Originally Posted by Partystar
You make a very good karma worthy point.
Jan 5th 2006, 1:25 pm
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Re: Birthright citizenship?
Originally Posted by mdyoung
I believe if you read the bill there are penalties on employers too.
Jan 5th 2006, 1:25 pm
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Re: Birthright citizenship?
Originally Posted by mdyoung
I believe if you read the bill there are penalties on employers too.
Jan 5th 2006, 1:28 pm
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Re: Birthright citizenship?
Originally Posted by snowbunny
They don't enforce the rules they have NOW. What makes you think they'll enforce new laws?
Jan 5th 2006, 1:33 pm
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Re: Birthright citizenship?
Originally Posted by snowbunny
They don't enforce the rules they have NOW. What makes you think they'll enforce new laws?
Jan 5th 2006, 1:37 pm
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Re: Birthright citizenship?
Originally Posted by mdyoung
That's why we build a nice big thick high wall.
Jan 5th 2006, 1:38 pm
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Re: Birthright citizenship?
Originally Posted by snowbunny
We get right back to the fact that the US government continues to deliberately exploit cheap labour by not even trying to close the border and by not punishing companies that use the labour. Yet these same people want to strip a baby of citizenship. Charming.
Jan 5th 2006, 1:45 pm
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Re: Birthright citizenship?
Originally Posted by mdyoung
As all your countrymen are high fiving you. I don't recall any agent of the U.S. government marching anyone at gun point over the border to work. These people broken the law of their own free will and should not be rewarded with citizenship or any family member
If only life were black and white... instead of gray.
Jan 5th 2006, 1:47 pm
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Re: Birthright citizenship?
Originally Posted by Partystar
I do remember Australia coming out with a law that had something to do with, if you were born there, didn't have Australian parents & moved overseas, you couldn't become a citizen or something along those lines.
That law took affect in 1986. Our British parents had us in Australia, then my Dad left, so my Mum took us back to England & raised us there. Luckily we were all born before then (1980, 1982, 1983 & 1984), so we all got in!!! Lucky for us, not so lucky for Australia!!! 
Your overseas born children should be eligible for Australian citizenship by descent, however this *must* be applied for through registration (it will be granted on application if the requirements are met).
Jeremy
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Jan 5th 2006, 1:49 pm
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Re: Birthright citizenship?
Originally Posted by snowbunny
We get right back to the fact that the US government continues to deliberately exploit cheap labour by not even trying to close the border and by not punishing companies that use the labour. Yet these same people want to strip a baby of citizenship.
Jeremy
Jan 5th 2006, 1:54 pm
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Re: Birthright citizenship?
Originally Posted by JAJ
No-one is seriously suggesting stripping US citizenship from those who already have it (which would be unconstitutiona), just maybe not granting to future cases (also unconstitutional, as it happens).
Jan 5th 2006, 1:55 pm
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Re: Birthright citizenship?
Originally Posted by mdyoung
That is only one part of the immigration reform bill, but it's part of the overall package to take away incentives for people to come here illegally. Laws are laws. If you are here illegally you aren't supposed to be here and goes for your kids too. See ya.
With respect, it doesn't really matter if it's part of the "immigration reform bill" as even if it gets past Congress and the President, it will not pass the Supreme Court (at least in the view of most legal scholars).
Illegal aliens in the US are still subject to US jurisdiction (unlike diplomats), they can be prosecuted for crimes they commit and are subject to US tax laws. Hence their US born children are automatically citizens and no immigration law can change that without a new amendment to the Constitution.
Jeremy
Jan 5th 2006, 1:57 pm
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Re: Birthright citizenship?
Originally Posted by JAJ
With respect, it doesn't really matter if it's part of the "immigration reform bill" as even if it gets past Congress and the President, it will not pass the Supreme Court (at least in the view of most legal scholars).
Illegal aliens in the US are still subject to US jurisdiction (unlike diplomats), they can be prosecuted for crimes they commit and are subject to US tax laws. Hence their US born children are automatically citizens and no immigration law can change that without a new amendment to the Constitution.
Jeremy
Illegal aliens in the US are still subject to US jurisdiction (unlike diplomats), they can be prosecuted for crimes they commit and are subject to US tax laws. Hence their US born children are automatically citizens and no immigration law can change that without a new amendment to the Constitution.
Jeremy
Jan 5th 2006, 1:59 pm
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Re: Birthright citizenship?
Originally Posted by JAJ
With respect, it doesn't really matter if it's part of the "immigration reform bill" as even if it gets past Congress and the President, it will not pass the Supreme Court (at least in the view of most legal scholars).
