Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Dec 30th 2005, 5:48 pm
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by fatbrit
Precisely. Or suffer the consequences.
Elvire can move to Manistee, Partystar can move to China.
Dec 30th 2005, 5:48 pm
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by fatbrit
Precisely. Or suffer the consequences.
Dec 30th 2005, 5:49 pm
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by fatbrit
Precisely. Or suffer the consequences.
I was giving her the benefit of the doubt...
Dec 30th 2005, 5:50 pm
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by Elvira
Is there a point to this? What are you trying to say?
Dec 30th 2005, 5:51 pm
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by Elvira
I was giving her the benefit of the doubt...
Dec 30th 2005, 5:52 pm
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by Manc
I'd love to know who they were talking to, I'm thinking member of the DNC and other opponents of the GOP.
Because no judge would allow them to tap say.........Howard Deans' phone.
But maybe I am a cynic.
Because no judge would allow them to tap say.........Howard Deans' phone.
But maybe I am a cynic.
Dec 30th 2005, 5:52 pm
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Lets see...
1829
Police equipment:
Wooden truncheon.
Handcuffs
Rattle (later whistle)
No communications, no forensics, no crimanologists, databases, DNS, fingerprints etc etc etc. Crime was rife and when caught it was the coppers word against yours.
2005 (UK):
Handcuffs
Baton,
CS Spray
Airwaves (TETRA) digital radio
Very good communications, advanced forensics, fingerprints, DNA, intelligence databases, computer tools, CCTV, etc. Conviction requires proof beyond doubt preferably with non-circumstantial evidence. In order to provide that proof tools are required.
Every single tool used in modern police work could be considered a blight on civil liberties. Unfortunately, democracy and freedom are their own worst enemies by their very nature therefore we have to have tools to help protect them even if that means a small loss of percieved civil liberties. I dont want someone watching me, but of some scumbag robs my house I want them brought to justice and prosecuted. Ergo I must have some form of tool that may invade my civil liberties in order to protect them.
Of course that intrusion of liberties must also be monitored.
1829
Police equipment:
Wooden truncheon.
Handcuffs
Rattle (later whistle)
No communications, no forensics, no crimanologists, databases, DNS, fingerprints etc etc etc. Crime was rife and when caught it was the coppers word against yours.
2005 (UK):
Handcuffs
Baton,
CS Spray
Airwaves (TETRA) digital radio
Very good communications, advanced forensics, fingerprints, DNA, intelligence databases, computer tools, CCTV, etc. Conviction requires proof beyond doubt preferably with non-circumstantial evidence. In order to provide that proof tools are required.
Every single tool used in modern police work could be considered a blight on civil liberties. Unfortunately, democracy and freedom are their own worst enemies by their very nature therefore we have to have tools to help protect them even if that means a small loss of percieved civil liberties. I dont want someone watching me, but of some scumbag robs my house I want them brought to justice and prosecuted. Ergo I must have some form of tool that may invade my civil liberties in order to protect them.
Of course that intrusion of liberties must also be monitored.
Dec 30th 2005, 5:53 pm
#128
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
What are the rules for using CS spray?
I would imagine it is for self defense only no?
that I can more than live with.
I would imagine it is for self defense only no?
that I can more than live with.
Dec 30th 2005, 5:54 pm
#129
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by Manc
What are the rules for using CS spray?
I would imagine it is for self defense only no?
that I can more than live with.
I would imagine it is for self defense only no?
that I can more than live with.
Dec 30th 2005, 5:54 pm
#130
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
For UK Police?
Dec 30th 2005, 5:55 pm
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by Manc
What are the rules for using CS spray?
Dec 30th 2005, 5:56 pm
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
Lets see...
1829
Police equipment:
Wooden truncheon.
Handcuffs
Rattle (later whistle)
No communications, no forensics, no crimanologists, databases, DNS, fingerprints etc etc etc. Crime was rife and when caught it was the coppers word against yours.
2005 (UK):
Handcuffs
Baton,
CS Spray
Airwaves (TETRA) digital radio
Very good communications, advanced forensics, fingerprints, DNA, intelligence databases, computer tools, CCTV, etc. Conviction requires proof beyond doubt preferably with non-circumstantial evidence. In order to provide that proof tools are required.
Every single tool used in modern police work could be considered a blight on civil liberties. Unfortunately, democracy and freedom are their own worst enemies by their very nature therefore we have to have tools to help protect them even if that means a small loss of percieved civil liberties. I dont want someone watching me, but of some scumbag robs my house I want them brought to justice and prosecuted. Ergo I must have some form of tool that may invade my civil liberties in order to protect them.
Of course that intrusion of liberties must also be monitored.
1829
Police equipment:
Wooden truncheon.
Handcuffs
Rattle (later whistle)
No communications, no forensics, no crimanologists, databases, DNS, fingerprints etc etc etc. Crime was rife and when caught it was the coppers word against yours.
2005 (UK):
Handcuffs
Baton,
CS Spray
Airwaves (TETRA) digital radio
Very good communications, advanced forensics, fingerprints, DNA, intelligence databases, computer tools, CCTV, etc. Conviction requires proof beyond doubt preferably with non-circumstantial evidence. In order to provide that proof tools are required.
Every single tool used in modern police work could be considered a blight on civil liberties. Unfortunately, democracy and freedom are their own worst enemies by their very nature therefore we have to have tools to help protect them even if that means a small loss of percieved civil liberties. I dont want someone watching me, but of some scumbag robs my house I want them brought to justice and prosecuted. Ergo I must have some form of tool that may invade my civil liberties in order to protect them.
Of course that intrusion of liberties must also be monitored.
Dec 30th 2005, 5:57 pm
#133
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by Manc
yes
Dec 30th 2005, 6:00 pm
#134
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
That's great, but I'm worried about the costs, who is watching them, the lack of man power to follow up on data they produce, their ineffectiveness in reducing crime etc...
Now, the simple facts are this:
1/ OTC medicines containing ephedrine are not an economical method of obtaining ephedrine, one of the basic ingredients for making meth. Simply, if you wish to start a meth lab, you do not seek OTC medicines as your source of ephedrine.
2/ Despite the fact that the information is indeed useless, there is nobody at DPS to process the information as this was not even budgeted for, so they throw all this information in a big box and do nothing with it.
Bullshit over brains! Time and time again! Yet the guidable fall for it.
Dec 30th 2005, 6:00 pm
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Re: Big Brother - cameras ? Etc ?
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
Use in self defence or to prevent a crime being commited or in the apprehension of a suspect of a crime that has been comitted where the use of such force is justified.