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Old Dec 31st 2005, 9:23 pm
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Originally Posted by franc11s
this discussion is about if we can implement something that may be deemed to be Big Brother but the net result is better than without it, when do we draw the line?

Loaded question. The debate is precisely about whether the net result is better than without it (whatever the it may be).

If you presuppose that the net result is better, your argument is completely circular.
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Old Jan 1st 2006, 6:26 pm
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Originally Posted by franc11s
The arguments made here "against" Big Brother posted here are pathetic. Those of us who support more are up for reasonable debate but come on, the "more people die on roads" doesn't apply here.

You throw out any form of "big brother" simply because of some if it's traits rather than come up with variants to make it better. Very contstructive. NOT.

Innovation needs input from people like you, who see the flaws as flaws and not flaws as walls. You build these walls of your own problem of being MORE afraid of the system taking over our lives, rather then an adaption of it to help others.

Those who support more big brother are not naive to think of it as a panacea of solving all of our problems. We see it as evolution, to be adapted and corrected to give us the best we can. Will it stop my son from being murdered. Maybe, maybe not BUT will it stop my sons murderer from murdering someone else? Maybe, maybe not. But any chance of someone like that being caught - within some framework around CCTV - how can you argue that.... And if you do, be more practical then showing us your own fear of being "watched"...

Sorry but that's not the case; read the book I previously suggested and you'll understand why.

Wholesale surveillance is not only unnecessary but also it's ineffective and costly.
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Old Jan 1st 2006, 6:28 pm
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Originally Posted by NC Penguin
Do you really believe the typical American has the intellect and skills to protect himself and loved ones any better than current US law enforcement?

If the typical Americans driving skills are an indicator of hand/eye coordination, no wonder there's the motto is "In God We Trust"!


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Point and shoot/point and drive - little difference.

I heard a worrying statistic but I'm not sure if it's true:

Your average US cop can hit a 1 ft square target only 6/10 times from 25ft.

I thought that seems a little low, 25ft really isn't that far.
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Old Jan 1st 2006, 6:37 pm
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey
Your average US cop can hit a 1 ft square target only 6/10 times from 25ft.
I thought that seems a little low, 25ft really isn't that far.
Actually thats not bad shooting ..... go to a range and try it ...
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Old Jan 1st 2006, 7:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Ray
Actually thats not bad shooting ..... go to a range and try it ...
Oh I'm not saying I could do better.....
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Old Jan 1st 2006, 7:15 pm
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey
Point and shoot/point and drive - little difference.

I heard a worrying statistic but I'm not sure if it's true:

Your average US cop can hit a 1 ft square target only 6/10 times from 25ft.

I thought that seems a little low, 25ft really isn't that far.
Not that far? Have you tried shooting at a target at that distance?


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Old Jan 1st 2006, 7:23 pm
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Originally Posted by NC Penguin
Not that far? Have you tried shooting at a target at that distance?


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Not with a handgun, but I'm pretty good with a shotgun on clay pigeons.

I don't think that's comparable though.

25ft is only as long as my driveway.

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Old Jan 2nd 2006, 11:04 am
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Originally Posted by Partystar
This is what my SFIL (also a cop) gave my husband as a present this year. My hubby doesn't keep it in his car, but in the truck that I drive, I'm sure he did this on purpose. I've never had weapons before I moved here, I don't feel the need to have them here really, but my husbands family prefers that I do, but I completely refuse to own a gun. It would do more harm than good & I'd never forgive myself if my 18 month old son were to be harmed by it.

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Old Jan 2nd 2006, 5:53 pm
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SFIL = stupid father in law? I'm lost........
Step Father In Law!
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Old Jan 2nd 2006, 8:12 pm
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Originally Posted by Partystar
Step Father In Law!
Doh!
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