Originally Posted by franc11s

this discussion is about if we can implement something that may be deemed to be Big Brother but the net result is better than without it, when do we draw the line?

Originally Posted by franc11s

The arguments made here "against" Big Brother posted here are pathetic. Those of us who support more are up for reasonable debate but come on, the "more people die on roads" doesn't apply here.

You throw out any form of "big brother" simply because of some if it's traits rather than come up with variants to make it better. Very contstructive. NOT.

Innovation needs input from people like you, who see the flaws as flaws and not flaws as walls. You build these walls of your own problem of being MORE afraid of the system taking over our lives, rather then an adaption of it to help others.

Those who support more big brother are not naive to think of it as a panacea of solving all of our problems. We see it as evolution, to be adapted and corrected to give us the best we can. Will it stop my son from being murdered. Maybe, maybe not BUT will it stop my sons murderer from murdering someone else? Maybe, maybe not. But any chance of someone like that being caught - within some framework around CCTV - how can you argue that.... And if you do, be more practical then showing us your own fear of being "watched"...

Originally Posted by NC Penguin

Do you really believe the typical American has the intellect and skills to protect himself and loved ones any better than current US law enforcement?

If the typical Americans driving skills are an indicator of hand/eye coordination, no wonder there's the motto is "In God We Trust"!


NC Penguin

Originally Posted by anotherlimey

Your average US cop can hit a 1 ft square target only 6/10 times from 25ft.
I thought that seems a little low, 25ft really isn't that far.

Originally Posted by Ray

Actually thats not bad shooting ..... go to a range and try it ...

Originally Posted by anotherlimey

Point and shoot/point and drive - little difference.

I heard a worrying statistic but I'm not sure if it's true:

Your average US cop can hit a 1 ft square target only 6/10 times from 25ft.

I thought that seems a little low, 25ft really isn't that far.

Originally Posted by NC Penguin

Not that far? Have you tried shooting at a target at that distance?


NC Penguin

Originally Posted by Partystar

This is what my SFIL (also a cop) gave my husband as a present this year. My hubby doesn't keep it in his car, but in the truck that I drive, I'm sure he did this on purpose. I've never had weapons before I moved here, I don't feel the need to have them here really, but my husbands family prefers that I do, but I completely refuse to own a gun. It would do more harm than good & I'd never forgive myself if my 18 month old son were to be harmed by it.

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Originally Posted by ukemigrant

SFIL = stupid father in law? I'm lost........

Originally Posted by Partystar

Step Father In Law!