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Bob May 14th 2012 7:50 pm

Best State of the Union? It's....
 
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...he_union_.html

Massachusetts, apparently...

Not sure I entirely agree, but it does do well in a lot of the things that count...wonder how other states stack up though.

oxonlad May 14th 2012 8:07 pm

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Originally Posted by Bob (Post 10059945)
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...he_union_.html

Massachusetts, apparently...

Not sure I entirely agree, but it does do well in a lot of the things that count...wonder how other states stack up though.

As a New Yorker who lives about 30 minutes from MA, I totally disagree with that. Most economic opportunities are in the midwest, and south. To pick any state in the Northeast only means one thing. The Slate author must be from the Northeast.

Bob May 14th 2012 8:18 pm

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Originally Posted by moadikum (Post 10059971)
As a New Yorker who lives about 30 minutes from MA, I totally disagree with that. Most economic opportunities are in the midwest, and south. To pick any state in the Northeast only means one thing. The Slate author must be from the Northeast.

I'd agree to some extent, there are certainly much better tax breaks down there, but the number of science research and tech based start ups out here along with what comes out of MIT etc is pretty impressive...

Basically who moves to MIT to study and then move back to podunk no where to try and attract top talent? They don't. They either stay here or head to California, possibly Austin, TX.

oxonlad May 14th 2012 8:22 pm

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Originally Posted by Bob (Post 10059990)
I'd agree to some extent, there are certainly much better tax breaks down there, but the number of science research and tech based start ups out here along with what comes out of MIT etc is pretty impressive...

Basically who moves to MIT to study and then move back to podunk no where to try and attract top talent? They don't. They either stay here or head to California, possibly Austin, TX.

That sort of logic would have been 100% valid 10 years ago - but the location of where a couple of computer programmers are doing their thing, creating the next $billion company - is now irrelevant.

Most of my friends who I graduated with (from a top 40 engineering school) moved to the midwest, or further South. Some biotech friends moved to New England - but very few.

SultanOfSwing May 14th 2012 8:39 pm

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Isn't Massachusetts a Commonwealth? How does that work then ... ? :p

The day Illinois ever wins that award will the exact day after the sun dies. Five billion years from now.

Bob May 15th 2012 1:31 am

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Originally Posted by moadikum (Post 10060000)
That sort of logic would have been 100% valid 10 years ago - but the location of where a couple of computer programmers are doing their thing, creating the next $billion company - is now irrelevant.

Most of my friends who I graduated with (from a top 40 engineering school) moved to the midwest, or further South. Some biotech friends moved to New England - but very few.

Software is one thing, but even so....and research is where the money and the brains are and it's hard for people to break away from a hub as people don't like being stranded when the jobs go splat.

Family folks probably are more apt to move though as it's just so expensive getting decided sized housing here, but young folks don't want to move to boringsville.

And yes, Sultan is right, it's a Commonwealth, so nothing makes sense :lol:

Giantaxe May 15th 2012 1:37 am

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Originally Posted by moadikum (Post 10060000)
That sort of logic would have been 100% valid 10 years ago - but the location of where a couple of computer programmers are doing their thing, creating the next $billion company - is now irrelevant.

I disagree it's irrelevant. "The next billion dollar software company" is located in... Silicon Valley. As have almost all of the last few big software IPOs. Of course, not all of their software developers work there though, so I'd agree location is less important than it once was.

nun May 15th 2012 12:39 pm

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Originally Posted by Bob (Post 10059945)

I agree, but I'm about as liberal as they get........unfortunately I don't have enough hair anymore to go for the ponytail.

MA is far from perfect. There's too much corruption and I don't agree with the outlook of the many socially conservative democrats in the state, but for education, health care, wages, benefits and quality of life, MA is hard to beat. Also autumn is always spectacular and Fenway Park is the best ball park in the country.

Yorkieabroad May 15th 2012 4:06 pm

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Well I never... and I opened this expecting to see Texas named the winner ;)

I'm curious - there is a hell of a lot of state pride here "Don't mess with Texas", "I wasn't born in Texas but I got here as fast as I could", Texas flags on everything from bikinis to deck chairs to farm gates, Texas/Lone Star/Longhorn edition trucks and so on. Is this the same in other states, or is it just the shy, retiring sorts around here that feel the need to try to reaffirm their allegiance at every opportunity?

SultanOfSwing May 15th 2012 4:09 pm

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Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad (Post 10062009)
Well I never... and I opened this expecting to see Texas named the winner ;)

I'm curious - there is a hell of a lot of state pride here "Don't mess with Texas", "I wasn't born in Texas but I got here as fast as I could", Texas flags on everything from bikinis to deck chairs to farm gates, Texas/Lone Star/Longhorn edition trucks and so on. Is this the same in other states, or is it just the shy, retiring sorts around here that feel the need to try to reaffirm their allegiance at every opportunity?

Nobody in their right mind would admit to being proud to come from Illinois :lol:

Yorkieabroad May 15th 2012 4:54 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 10062014)
Nobody in their right mind would admit to being proud to come from Illinois :lol:

I'm not vouching for the sanity of those from Texas either....especially the twats with the "not born/got here fast" type bumper stickers - and Brother in Law, if you're reading, yes I mean you!!!

SultanOfSwing May 15th 2012 4:59 pm

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Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad (Post 10062093)
I'm not vouching for the sanity of those from Texas either....especially the twats with the "not born/got here fast" type bumper stickers - and Brother in Law, if you're reading, yes I mean you!!!

I've certainly not seen an Illinois equivalent. A concerning amount of confederate flags, though ...

Yorkieabroad May 15th 2012 5:45 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 10062102)
I've certainly not seen an Illinois equivalent. A concerning amount of confederate flags, though ...

Round here you don't actually see as many confederate flags - a few bumper stickers and some of the good ol' boys have the back window of their truck tricked out with it, but get out in the countryside north and west of us and they are everywhere. You also see quite a few homesteads with 3 flagpoles - one for the stars and stripes, one for the lone star, and one for the Marines flag. Interesting order of honor they are flying in sometimes...

SultanOfSwing May 15th 2012 5:47 pm

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Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad (Post 10062182)
Round here you don't actually see as many confederate flags - a few bumper stickers and some of the good ol' boys have the back window of their truck tricked out with it, but get out in the countryside north and west of us and they are everywhere. You also see quite a few homesteads with 3 flagpoles - one for the stars and stripes, one for the lone star, and one for the Marines flag. Interesting order of honor they are flying in sometimes...

I see lots of marines flags on houses, but never a state flag, usually those are just on county buildings or government offices.

Lion in Winter May 15th 2012 5:53 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 10062014)
Nobody in their right mind would admit to being proud to come from Illinois :lol:

Illinois - Flat and proud

SultanOfSwing May 15th 2012 5:54 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 10062194)
Illinois - Flat and proud

That's about all you can say really. Except all the corruption and bribes, of course ...

Lion in Winter May 15th 2012 5:56 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 10062197)
That's about all you can say really. Except all the corruption and bribes, of course ...

Illinois - Where the Governors go to Prison

or

Illinois - Chicago and a Bunch of Other Places We Can't Remember the Names of.


NB: For the longest time I thought North Carolina's "first in flight" meant "first to run away."

SultanOfSwing May 15th 2012 5:57 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 10062202)
Illinois - Where the Governors go to Prison

or

Illinois - Chicago and a Bunch of Other Places We Can't Remember the Names of.

Those are good ones :lol:

Scouse Express May 15th 2012 5:58 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 10062194)
Illinois - Flat and proud

Except for Jo Davies County.


Jim.

Lion in Winter May 15th 2012 5:59 pm

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Originally Posted by Scouse Express (Post 10062205)
Except for Jo Davies County.


Jim.

Not flat, but way too many gift shops selling useless items.

Yorkieabroad May 15th 2012 6:14 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 10062208)
way too many gift shops selling useless items.

Tautologous, no?

HumphreyC May 15th 2012 6:40 pm

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Well I like MA, despite living in possibly the most 'meh' part of it - north central MA (easy escape to NH, VT and Western MA though). VT is the best New England state for me but there isn't much work up there.

If you speak to people though - mainly the blue collar types - a lot of people would like to get out of the state; mainly because of the winters, the erosion of the industrial base & the higher cost of living. There is quite a bit of negativity around in the Bay state.

Bob May 16th 2012 3:51 am

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Originally Posted by HumphreyC (Post 10062280)

If you speak to people though - mainly the blue collar types - a lot of people would like to get out of the state; mainly because of the winters, the erosion of the industrial base & the higher cost of living. There is quite a bit of negativity around in the Bay state.

You need to check out the out laying towns around the Cape, etc, especially in the build up to the summer season. You get 5 families sharing a motel to do the casual work, while residing properly in NH or RI, to get out of needing medical insurance and those areas having more solid off season work, but the money is worth if for contractors getting stuff ready for the tourists. It's pretty grim stuff though.

Yorkieabroad May 16th 2012 3:53 am

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 10062194)
Illinois - Flat and proud

I used to date a girl who said that.
Don't think she was called Illinois though.

Didn't last long....

newtohouston May 16th 2012 2:52 pm

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Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad (Post 10062093)
I'm not vouching for the sanity of those from Texas either....especially the twats with the "not born/got here fast" type bumper stickers - and Brother in Law, if you're reading, yes I mean you!!!

well..I am just about to move myself to Texas and CANNOT wait. Unless you have spent some time in Texas, traveled to the Hill Country, Austin, San Antonio and so on, I think it's fair to say, that you shouldn't be so quick to judge. The country folk in Texas are friendly and helpful. I met my gorgeous fiancee there and have made wonderful friends, and I don't even live there yet.

So, for me, the winner is Texas! :) Yeehaw!

Lion in Winter May 16th 2012 3:01 pm

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Originally Posted by newtohouston (Post 10064224)
well..I am just about to move myself to Texas and CANNOT wait. Unless you have spent some time in Texas, traveled to the Hill Country, Austin, San Antonio and so on, I think it's fair to say, that you shouldn't be so quick to judge. The country folk in Texas are friendly and helpful. I met my gorgeous fiancee there and have made wonderful friends, and I don't even live there yet.

So, for me, the winner is Texas! :) Yeehaw!


Ah, but you haven't met Leslie yet....

SultanOfSwing May 16th 2012 3:50 pm

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Ah there's nothing like some unadulterated subjectivity of a morning, is there?

Lion in Winter May 16th 2012 4:13 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 10064335)
Ah there's nothing like some unadulterated subjectivity of a morning, is there?


I think adultery in Texas gets you shot, anyway.

Yorkieabroad May 16th 2012 4:17 pm

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Originally Posted by newtohouston (Post 10064224)
well..I am just about to move myself to Texas and CANNOT wait. Unless you have spent some time in Texas, traveled to the Hill Country, Austin, San Antonio and so on, I think it's fair to say, that you shouldn't be so quick to judge. The country folk in Texas are friendly and helpful. I met my gorgeous fiancee there and have made wonderful friends, and I don't even live there yet.

So, for me, the winner is Texas! :) Yeehaw!

Thats fine, I'm happy for you.

We've been here 10 years. Got married here to a Texan implant. The only major part of the state we haven't visited is Big Bend. All in all I kind of like living here - not the greatest, not the worst, but we do OK. But I'm certainly not about to add the "not born here/got here as fast as I could" bumper sticker to my truck. Of course I wouldn't try to deny you the right to add one to your truck when you get here, as long as you don't try to deny me my right to add you to my list of twats if you do. I'll put you right next to my Michigan born brother in law if you like:D.

Giantaxe May 16th 2012 4:19 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 10064244)
Ah, but you haven't met Leslie yet....

Nor actually lived in Texas it seems!

As to MA, I think it has a lot going for it. But I never got used to the summer climate, I like being outdoors a lot, and the combination of heat and humidity made me want me to stay in the safety of air conditioning. I guess I'm just not an eastern seaboard kind of guy because of that, which is a real pity as there are several cities I'd like to live in there, especially New York.

Yorkieabroad May 16th 2012 4:36 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 10064391)
I think adultery in Texas gets you shot, anyway.

Most things in Texas can get you shot. Did you know they have guns here? Lots of them! Some folk even carry them around with them, but they've got to hide them if they do so's not to scare the visitors;)

SultanOfSwing May 16th 2012 4:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 10064391)
I think adultery in Texas gets you shot, anyway.

:lol:

I never understood the whole state pride thing, really. It'd be like me trying to say County Antrim is the best county in the entire UK because I lived there, it has nice forests and part of Belfast is in it (the bit I was born in, obviously) ...

It's all a bit silly. Texas is immense, varied and populous - of course there are many good things to find there, just by the sheer law of averages alone. I'd argue there are just as many good things to be found in California, the New England states, Alaska, Hawaii et cetera.

Yorkieabroad May 16th 2012 4:49 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 10064449)
:lol:

I never understood the whole state pride thing, really. It'd be like me trying to say County Antrim is the best county in the entire UK because I lived there, it has nice forests and part of Belfast is in it (the bit I was born in, obviously) ...

It's all a bit silly. Texas is immense, varied and populous - of course there are many good things to find there, just by the sheer law of averages alone. I'd argue there are just as many good things to be found in California, the New England states, Alaska, Hawaii et cetera.

I've never seen it anywhere else as intense as it is here - its like a superconcentrated version of the national pride. On Steroids. (I'm NOT knocking the national pride by the way - I wish there was a bit more of that back in the UK!). I mean, we joke about Yorkshire and all that, but I dont think many people take it that seriously (cue that Hale and Pace video, Yorkshire born/Yorkshire bred/Strong in t'arm, thick int'head etc etc ) but here it is serious - try that with Texas and you'll likely end up in a fight! Thats kind of why I asked a few posts back about whether it was the same in other states. I've not really noticed it when visiting other states, but living in them for a length of time gives a different viewpoint.

Another question - in the schools here (and I'm sure everywhere else) they recite the pledge of allegiance every morning. Here they then go on to pledge allegiance to the Texas flag - do they do that in other states?

SultanOfSwing May 16th 2012 4:52 pm

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Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad (Post 10064481)
I've never seen it anywhere else as intense as it is here - its like a superconcentrated version of the national pride. On Steroids. (I'm NOT knocking the national pride by the way - I wish there was a bit more of that back in the UK!). I mean, we joke about Yorkshire and all that, but I dont think many people take it that seriously (cue that Hale and Pace video, Yorkshire born/Yorkshire bred/Strong in t'arm, thick int'head etc etc ) but here it is serious - try that with Texas and you'll likely end up in a fight! Thats kind of why I asked a few posts back about whether it was the same in other states. I've not really noticed it when visiting other states, but living in them for a length of time gives a different viewpoint.

Another question - in the schools here (and I'm sure everywhere else) they recite the pledge of allegiance every morning. Here they then go on to pledge allegiance to the Texas flag - do they do that in other states?

'Ey up, I won't say nowt about Yorkshire, worry ye not :lol:

If the Pledge is said in an Illinois school, it is to the US flag, not the state flag. I'm not sure if my son's current school even does it at all, I don't remember seeing flags up in the classrooms for that purpose.

Yorkieabroad May 16th 2012 4:55 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 10064486)
'Ey up, I won't say nowt about Yorkshire, worry ye not :lol:

If the Pledge is said in an Illinois school, it is to the US flag, not the state flag. I'm not sure if my son's current school even does it at all, I don't remember seeing flags up in the classrooms for that purpose.

I don't think they have flags in all the classrooms (some do), but the euivalent of what we knew as morning assembly is televised into every classroom, and there is a flag behind the announcer so I assume they face that.

SultanOfSwing May 16th 2012 4:57 pm

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Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad (Post 10064495)
I don't think they have flags in all the classrooms (some do), but the euivalent of what we knew as morning assembly is televised into every classroom, and there is a flag behind the announcer so I assume they face that.

Now I'm pretty sure they don't do that at his school. They don't have reliable AC, let alone closed circuit TV :lol:

newtohouston May 16th 2012 5:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 10064244)
Ah, but you haven't met Leslie yet....

not sure what that meant...but ok!

newtohouston May 16th 2012 5:29 pm

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Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 10064406)
Nor actually lived in Texas it seems!

As to MA, I think it has a lot going for it. But I never got used to the summer climate, I like being outdoors a lot, and the combination of heat and humidity made me want me to stay in the safety of air conditioning. I guess I'm just not an eastern seaboard kind of guy because of that, which is a real pity as there are several cities I'd like to live in there, especially New York.

well funnily enough I have...have you? Just interested to hear from people who have actually lived there recently to hear the pros and cons.

Lion in Winter May 16th 2012 5:30 pm

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Originally Posted by newtohouston (Post 10064558)
not sure what that meant...but ok!

You will find out. Oh yes you will...

newtohouston May 16th 2012 5:32 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 10064563)
You will find out. Oh yes you will...

I may be about to make you laugh, but my fiance's name is Leslie...so you can understand my intrigue as to what you are referring to?


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