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-   -   An Article sure to raise a septics eyebrow.. (https://britishexpats.com/forum/usa-57/article-sure-raise-septics-eyebrow-489200/)

Circus-of-Power Oct 24th 2007 7:57 pm
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I just found the mentality of my American work mates infuriating at best ...moronic at worst. To them a terrorist is somebody who is anti American, and thats it really.

LuTziE Oct 24th 2007 8:35 pm
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I think most British people would now be as ignorant to what happened as any American. History dulls feelings-unless there was a personal loss-the feelings and passion fades. I remember the Birmingham bombs,I remember my parents being shocked, but its all dull memory.
Britain is good at not remembering its dead, America is much better.

lapin_windstar Oct 25th 2007 1:31 am
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Originally Posted by Circus-of-Power (Post 5465252)
I just found the mentality of my American work mates infuriating at best ...moronic at worst. To them a terrorist is somebody who is anti American, and thats it really.
When was the last time you worked in the UK? The US doesn't have the monopoly on morons.

Giantaxe Oct 25th 2007 3:28 am
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Originally Posted by lapin_windstar (Post 5464522)
At the same time, the US could have done more to pressure the UK government to protect the human rights of Catholics in NI, which might have prevented the Troubles from occurring in the first place - and strengthened e.g. the UK's ability to support the US militarily in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
A peculiar comment. There is no way in hell that the UK would have got involved in Vietnam (thank goodness). Harold Wilson telling Johnson to get lost in '65 (?) when the latter raised the subject of UK troops was one of the things Wilson actually got right.

Giantaxe Oct 25th 2007 3:30 am
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Originally Posted by lapin_windstar (Post 5466567)
When was the last time you worked in the UK? The US doesn't have the monopoly on morons.
I doubt anyone would claim it does. However, I can certainly sympathize with the person you were replying to in that it has become all too common to try to pin the "terrorist" label to those that happen to oppose the US and in particular its foreign policies.

Bob Oct 25th 2007 3:32 am
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 5467077)
A peculiar comment. There is no way in hell that the UK would have got involved in Vietnam (thank goodness). Harold Wilson telling Johnson to get lost in '65 (?) when the latter raised the subject of UK troops was one of the things Wilson actually got right.
did send in the SAS to help train US troops though...

lapin_windstar Oct 25th 2007 8:02 am
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 5467077)
A peculiar comment. There is no way in hell that the UK would have got involved in Vietnam (thank goodness). Harold Wilson telling Johnson to get lost in '65 (?) when the latter raised the subject of UK troops was one of the things Wilson actually got right.
No, I'm sure you're right that direct military involvement was pretty unlikely. All the same, in a world of hypotheticals, if the UK hadn't had to commit that many troops to Northern Ireland, perhaps it could have freed up US troops (Germany?) which could have fought in Vietnam. Mind you, Australia sent troops to Vietnam (including Jim Robinson), so maybe it wasn't quite so unthinkable.

cutina Oct 25th 2007 8:09 am
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Originally Posted by farnworth hardcase (Post 5460583)

Some say best thing happened to Manky:lol:
:blink:

KentuckyYid Oct 25th 2007 8:12 am
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 5467077)
A peculiar comment. There is no way in hell that the UK would have got involved in Vietnam (thank goodness). Harold Wilson telling Johnson to get lost in '65 (?) when the latter raised the subject of UK troops was one of the things Wilson actually got right.

I think there was element of remember the Suez canal? in Wilson's no response.

Giantaxe Oct 25th 2007 9:11 am
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Originally Posted by lapin_windstar (Post 5468192)
No, I'm sure you're right that direct military involvement was pretty unlikely. All the same, in a world of hypotheticals, if the UK hadn't had to commit that many troops to Northern Ireland, perhaps it could have freed up US troops (Germany?) which could have fought in Vietnam. Mind you, Australia sent troops to Vietnam (including Jim Robinson), so maybe it wasn't quite so unthinkable.
The British didn't send the first troops to Northern Ireland until '69, fully four years after Johnson pretty much begged Wilson to get involved. So there was zero connection between Northern Ireland and Britain's unwillingness to get involved in Vietnam:- there was simply no political or public support to get involved in this war. As for freeing up US troops to fight, again, I'm sceptical. The US had a draft at the time and wasn't exactly lacking in troops to send to Vietnam and large numbers of British troops weren't deployed in Northern Ireland until around the time the US had started reducing troop numbers in Vietnam. And Australia made an independent decision based largely on the fact that Vietnam - and SE Asia in general - was more stragically important to it than to European countries.

Giantaxe Oct 25th 2007 9:13 am
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Originally Posted by KentuckyYid (Post 5468224)
I think there was element of remember the Suez canal? in Wilson's no response.
Most probably, although the lack of political and public support made it political suicide for him to take such a decision. Of course, one could also argue that Suez also had an influence on public opinion also being overwhelmingly against involvement as well.

BigDavyG Oct 25th 2007 11:08 am
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Originally Posted by Lord Lionheart (Post 5462754)
the UK taxpayer foots the bill to subsidize an area with one of the largest disposable incomes in the UK, which produces significantly less than the home counties, while sucking up tax money.

That's about it really...........................
What is that meant to mean ??

fatbrit Oct 25th 2007 11:15 am
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Originally Posted by BigDavyG (Post 5468966)
What is that meant to mean ??
Means you're all spongers, I think.

cindyabs Oct 25th 2007 1:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Circus-of-Power (Post 5465252)
I just found the mentality of my American work mates infuriating at best ...moronic at worst. To them a terrorist is somebody who is anti American, and thats it really.
Because until it hits close to home, then it's just a tragic incident that happened to someone else, somewhere else.

Lord Lionheart Oct 25th 2007 2:06 pm
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Originally Posted by BigDavyG (Post 5468966)
What is that meant to mean ??
It's a drain on UK tax money compared to what it produces


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