Anyone having problems in Arizona?
May 25th 2011, 3:47 pm
#91
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Re: Anyone having problems in Arizona?
Well, I'm a native USC, and we have St. Andrew's crosses on both our vehicles. One, because I am proud of my Scottish heritage, and two, because my husband is Scottish. I have no problem with that, and I've never met one American that does.
I get more insulted by those damn "God Bless America" stickers. They make me want to get out and slash the tires. Or get a sharpie and write on the sticker "and the rest of the world too".
I get more insulted by those damn "God Bless America" stickers. They make me want to get out and slash the tires. Or get a sharpie and write on the sticker "and the rest of the world too".
May 25th 2011, 3:56 pm
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Re: Anyone having problems in Arizona?
Well, I'm a native USC, and we have St. Andrew's crosses on both our vehicles. One, because I am proud of my Scottish heritage, and two, because my husband is Scottish. I have no problem with that, and I've never met one American that does.
I get more insulted by those damn "God Bless America" stickers. They make me want to get out and slash the tires. Or get a sharpie and write on the sticker "and the rest of the world too".
I get more insulted by those damn "God Bless America" stickers. They make me want to get out and slash the tires. Or get a sharpie and write on the sticker "and the rest of the world too".
I would quite happily pay to see someone's reaction if that was done to their sticker!!!
Or, you could stroke out the word 'bless' and write 'help' instead, perhaps . . .
May 25th 2011, 4:24 pm
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Re: Anyone having problems in Arizona?
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Have a shufty - hardly a symbol of fundamentalism is it? If you saw a crescent moon on a car would you assume the person inside was a terrorist?
Preach tolerance to those of other races but woe betide someone who wants to believe in God. How many actual, real life fundies have you run in to on a daily basis in order to hate Christianity so much? Were you buggered by a vicar, maybe??
Look - I'm not having a jab at you, and I'm agnostic, but I get kind of tired of this 'oh aren't we so enlightened and lets all have a go at the Christians' when in reality it is only a small percentage of them that are nutters.
Your view of that fish is just as bad as what Awesome Wells' American chums are saying about the Puerto Ricans IMO.
Have a shufty - hardly a symbol of fundamentalism is it? If you saw a crescent moon on a car would you assume the person inside was a terrorist?
Preach tolerance to those of other races but woe betide someone who wants to believe in God. How many actual, real life fundies have you run in to on a daily basis in order to hate Christianity so much? Were you buggered by a vicar, maybe??
Look - I'm not having a jab at you, and I'm agnostic, but I get kind of tired of this 'oh aren't we so enlightened and lets all have a go at the Christians' when in reality it is only a small percentage of them that are nutters.
Your view of that fish is just as bad as what Awesome Wells' American chums are saying about the Puerto Ricans IMO.
I do have a problem with people who 'actively' pursue their religion - talk about it, display symbols, etc. 'Born Again' Christians fall into this category, as do Christian Fundamentalists. In my experience, only people who have strong views about their faith display the 'fish' symbol - you are proclaiming to others 'this is my belief and I am proud of it'. Such people don't get my respect and I do consider them to be nutters. I agree this is only a small percentage, but then, only a small percentage display the 'fish' symbol.
I don't view active Christians as benignly as you seem to. To some degree, being a 'Christian' implies a certain set of decent values, but scratch the surface and it gets complicated. Consider the issue of 'family values' - domestic partners, homosexuals, family planning, etc. - Fundamentalist Christians are going to group together and rally around these issues.
May 25th 2011, 4:28 pm
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Re: Anyone having problems in Arizona?
Well, I'm a native USC, and we have St. Andrew's crosses on both our vehicles. One, because I am proud of my Scottish heritage, and two, because my husband is Scottish. I have no problem with that, and I've never met one American that does.
I get more insulted by those damn "God Bless America" stickers. They make me want to get out and slash the tires. Or get a sharpie and write on the sticker "and the rest of the world too".
I get more insulted by those damn "God Bless America" stickers. They make me want to get out and slash the tires. Or get a sharpie and write on the sticker "and the rest of the world too".
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May 25th 2011, 4:29 pm
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Re: Anyone having problems in Arizona?
Well, I happen to be somewhat strongly against all religions, that's my personal preference. I don't have a particular problem with what I would call 'casual Christians' (or casual Muslms, casual Hindus, etc), but I do have a problem with anyone who takes their religion 'seriously'. By 'casual', I mean, someone brought up in a religion who blindly and unchallengingly follows it through cultural indoctrination; they call themselves Christians (Muslims/Hindus/Etc) but are only there because their family raised them that way.
I do have a problem with people who 'actively' pursue their religion - talk about it, display symbols, etc. 'Born Again' Christians fall into this category, as do Christian Fundamentalists. In my experience, only people who have strong views about their faith display the 'fish' symbol - you are proclaiming to others 'this is my belief and I am proud of it'. Such people don't get my respect and I do consider them to be nutters. I agree this is only a small percentage, but then, only a small percentage display the 'fish' symbol.
I don't view active Christians as benignly as you seem to. To some degree, being a 'Christian' implies a certain set of decent values, but scratch the surface and it gets complicated. Consider the issue of 'family values' - domestic partners, homosexuals, family planning, etc. - Fundamentalist Christians are going to group together and rally around these issues.
I do have a problem with people who 'actively' pursue their religion - talk about it, display symbols, etc. 'Born Again' Christians fall into this category, as do Christian Fundamentalists. In my experience, only people who have strong views about their faith display the 'fish' symbol - you are proclaiming to others 'this is my belief and I am proud of it'. Such people don't get my respect and I do consider them to be nutters. I agree this is only a small percentage, but then, only a small percentage display the 'fish' symbol.
I don't view active Christians as benignly as you seem to. To some degree, being a 'Christian' implies a certain set of decent values, but scratch the surface and it gets complicated. Consider the issue of 'family values' - domestic partners, homosexuals, family planning, etc. - Fundamentalist Christians are going to group together and rally around these issues.
May 25th 2011, 4:40 pm
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Re: Anyone having problems in Arizona?
Well, I happen to be somewhat strongly against all religions, that's my personal preference. I don't have a particular problem with what I would call 'casual Christians' (or casual Muslms, casual Hindus, etc), but I do have a problem with anyone who takes their religion 'seriously'. By 'casual', I mean, someone brought up in a religion who blindly and unchallengingly follows it through cultural indoctrination; they call themselves Christians (Muslims/Hindus/Etc) but are only there because their family raised them that way.
I do have a problem with people who 'actively' pursue their religion - talk about it, display symbols, etc. 'Born Again' Christians fall into this category, as do Christian Fundamentalists. In my experience, only people who have strong views about their faith display the 'fish' symbol - you are proclaiming to others 'this is my belief and I am proud of it'. Such people don't get my respect and I do consider them to be nutters. I agree this is only a small percentage, but then, only a small percentage display the 'fish' symbol.
I don't view active Christians as benignly as you seem to. To some degree, being a 'Christian' implies a certain set of decent values, but scratch the surface and it gets complicated. Consider the issue of 'family values' - domestic partners, homosexuals, family planning, etc. - Fundamentalist Christians are going to group together and rally around these issues.
I do have a problem with people who 'actively' pursue their religion - talk about it, display symbols, etc. 'Born Again' Christians fall into this category, as do Christian Fundamentalists. In my experience, only people who have strong views about their faith display the 'fish' symbol - you are proclaiming to others 'this is my belief and I am proud of it'. Such people don't get my respect and I do consider them to be nutters. I agree this is only a small percentage, but then, only a small percentage display the 'fish' symbol.
I don't view active Christians as benignly as you seem to. To some degree, being a 'Christian' implies a certain set of decent values, but scratch the surface and it gets complicated. Consider the issue of 'family values' - domestic partners, homosexuals, family planning, etc. - Fundamentalist Christians are going to group together and rally around these issues.
People of faith aren't the problem - people of dogma are. Maybe I've not been quite as exposed to as many of the US style 'in your face' Christians as you have, I'll give you that. Back home, even the 'born again' types tended to leave you alone (but in NI you don't go broadcasting your denomination either).
Each to their own. I don't care if you dislike religion in general, but I don't know that you should go round knocking all followers just from the actions of the lunatic fringe. The religious right though, open season on those mother****ers
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May 25th 2011, 4:45 pm
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Re: Anyone having problems in Arizona?
The noob called me a troll - fantastic.
So, the flag is a show of pride - for the nation you walked-out on.
You also seem to be making an assumption that in order to have pride, it must be publicly demonstrated. I disagree with that.
Why anyone would choose to live in a new country and then make it clear to anyone who might give a shit that you are somehow different, foreign (superior maybe?) is objectionable and disrespectful to the hosts, in my view.
I think the phrase, "Attention Whore" may be appropriate in some cases too.
I'm humbled and grateful that you feel sorry for me, your pity will help me struggle through the day. Now, where's my union jack underpants?
So, the flag is a show of pride - for the nation you walked-out on.
You also seem to be making an assumption that in order to have pride, it must be publicly demonstrated. I disagree with that.
Why anyone would choose to live in a new country and then make it clear to anyone who might give a shit that you are somehow different, foreign (superior maybe?) is objectionable and disrespectful to the hosts, in my view.
I think the phrase, "Attention Whore" may be appropriate in some cases too.
I'm humbled and grateful that you feel sorry for me, your pity will help me struggle through the day. Now, where's my union jack underpants?
May 25th 2011, 4:49 pm
#98
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Re: Anyone having problems in Arizona?
I often wonder if they just obtained one to make it look like they went to a university, because most of them don't drive like they have the intelligence to enter higher education . . .
May 25th 2011, 4:58 pm
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Re: Anyone having problems in Arizona?
The only U sticker worth having. Thanks to Bullwinkle
May 25th 2011, 5:12 pm
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Re: Anyone having problems in Arizona?
You know, I wouldn't necessarily mind if it was being put there because of academic prowess, but you can tell by that block lettering they use for them (the real ones, that is) that it is only because of the bloody football team 
May 25th 2011, 6:07 pm
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Re: Anyone having problems in Arizona?
Quite right, what's the country coming to if you can't put your football team sticker on your truck - GO BEAVS
May 25th 2011, 6:09 pm
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Re: Anyone having problems in Arizona?
Your turn
May 25th 2011, 6:14 pm
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Re: Anyone having problems in Arizona?
May 25th 2011, 6:18 pm
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Re: Anyone having problems in Arizona?
Actually I think you understood my point perfectly! All in the name of harmless fun, of course.