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Old Mar 3rd 2017, 3:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Boiler
It was never designed to be sustainable, and the situation is getting worse.

It was a nasty fudge as will no doubt whatever Trump ends up with, I nearly said in mind, but not sure anything is in mind.
Getting somewhat off topic here but yeah, it's a real tough thing for Administrations to tackle. It'll be interesting to see what the Republicans replacement bill is, because Paul Ryan has been saying for months now that we'll be hearing details soon!
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Originally Posted by BigBoss1984
Getting somewhat off topic here but yeah, it's a real tough thing for Administrations to tackle. It'll be interesting to see what the Republicans replacement bill is, because Paul Ryan has been saying for months now that we'll be hearing details soon!
I have a feeling there is a now what do we do moment happening, too many vested interests.
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Old Mar 3rd 2017, 3:41 pm
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Originally Posted by Boiler
I have a feeling there is a now what do we do moment happening, too many vested interests.
Unfortunately it's just the American public who will suffer from it. I always said the problem with the Affordable Care Act was that they put too many mandates in it. So for instance, forcing people to have an ACA compliant plan or pay a tax penalty at the end of the year. The problem with that, of course, is that health insurance ended up being more expensive than the penalty - so less and less young people were getting coverage, and under the ACA guidelines health insurance providers had to cover everyone, regardless of pre existing conditions, so you had an uneven balance of sick people and healthy people - which drove the costs way up.

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Originally Posted by BigBoss1984
Unfortunately it's just the American public who will suffer from it. I always said the problem with the Affordable Care Act was that they put too many mandates in it. So for instance, forcing people to have an ACA compliant plan or pay a tax penalty at the end of the year. The problem with that, of course, is that health insurance ended up being more expensive than the penalty - so less and less young people were getting coverage, and under the ACA guidelines health insurance providers had to cover everyone, regardless of pre existing conditions, so you had an uneven balance of sick people and healthy people - which drove the costs way up.

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If it was Affordable most people would buy it, no need for the penalties.
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Old Mar 3rd 2017, 4:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Boiler
If it was Affordable most people would buy it, no need for the penalties.
The reality is that whenever there's a profit making company running the insurance, prices will be pushed to the edge of affordability for lots of people (meaning it'll go beyond for some).

I don't have a problem with health insurance or profit making health insurance companies - indeed I had (and technically still have) private health insurance in the UK.

What I have a problem with is when a federal government requires people to carry the health insurance the companies that provide that insurance are profit making.
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Old Mar 4th 2017, 10:33 am
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The reality is that whenever there's a profit making company running the insurance, prices will be pushed to the edge of affordability for lots of people (meaning it'll go beyond for some).

I don't have a problem with health insurance or profit making health insurance companies - indeed I had (and technically still have) private health insurance in the UK.

What I have a problem with is when a federal government requires people to carry the health insurance the companies that provide that insurance are profit making.
Pretty much my thoughts too - I too have private health insurance in the United Kingdom. I think there are three sets of people who must first be appeased before healthcare in the US can expand; the people, the government and the insurers. I'm not saying it's right that it is that way, but that's what must happen before significant change will be seen.
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Originally Posted by BigBoss1984
Pretty much my thoughts too - I too have private health insurance in the United Kingdom. I think there are three sets of people who must first be appeased before healthcare in the US can expand; the people, the government and the insurers. I'm not saying it's right that it is that way, but that's what must happen before significant change will be seen.
What About the providers, Hospitals, Pharmaceutical companies etc etc.
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Originally Posted by BigBoss1984
Thanks for this. So you think I should go ahead and try to submit an application on the exchange, as you said, to get an idea on cost? I assume you can't view the various health plans until after the application is submitted
With "CoverCalifornia" you can certainly look at the plans and costs without submitting an application.

(this is one of the better user friendly exchanges !)
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Originally Posted by Boiler
What About the providers, Hospitals, Pharmaceutical companies etc etc.
The problem is health costs, insurance premiums a symptom not the real problem. No matter what program the Republicans come up with, without addressing outrageous costs the situation will remain a mess. Neither political party seems to have the courage to face the situation directly.
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Originally Posted by morpeth
The problem is health costs, insurance premiums a symptom not the real problem. No matter what program the Republicans come up with, without addressing outrageous costs the situation will remain a mess. Neither political party seems to have the courage to face the situation directly.
They get a cut through lobbyists, why would they?
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Originally Posted by Boiler
They get a cut through lobbyists, why would they?
Perhaps term limits would help politicians be willing to be more courageous.
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Originally Posted by morpeth
Perhaps term limits would help politicians be willing to be more courageous.
Got a feeling that would not work.
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Old Mar 4th 2017, 9:15 pm
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Got a feeling that would not work.
Well the current system not working too well. Maybe if politicians in their last term didn't need to worry about re-election, they could be more bold and courageous.
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Old Mar 4th 2017, 9:30 pm
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Originally Posted by morpeth
Well the current system not working too well. Maybe if politicians in their last term didn't need to worry about re-election, they could be more bold and courageous.
I would have thought that a politician entering their last term would be more susceptible to pandering to a large corporation so that they can secure a job there once they leave.
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I would have thought that a politician entering their last term would be more susceptible to pandering to a large corporation so that they can secure a job there once they leave.
Depends on their age. John McCain, for example, doesn't care about reelection or future employment so currently seems to be leading the anti-Trump Republican charge.
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