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Longy Jan 7th 2008 12:29 am

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Originally Posted by cpltony (Post 5750150)
Took out a car loan with my grandfather inlaw in May 05....paid it religiously on time and in advance. Should be paid off by the end of the year.

Took out a $500 limit credit card in Dec 05 and carried a balance a few months but never was late with a payment. Paid it off about 3-4 times but I keep it open for my wife with online pre-orders that can charged whenever.
We've had the balance increased.....I call to get it decreased again.

Paid electric bill on time since Mar 06 and nothing else.
No other debt at all.

Credit score of 701 just from that.
So if you don't plan to use the card more than a few hundred a month, get the credit limit lowered and freeze it. It's like pulling teeth with Capital One but trust me....its security for you in the long run.

Best advise I can give....pay it off and cut it up.
Self insure and keep $1000 in your savings at all time for emergencies.....because life happens :thumbsup:

Oh and you can stop most credit card offers by going to http://www.optoutprescreen.com

For someone trying to build credit its not a good idea to be reducing limits - this will hold back your credit score.

tamms_1965 Jan 7th 2008 1:11 am

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Originally Posted by Longy (Post 5752299)
For someone trying to build credit its not a good idea to be reducing limits - this will hold back your credit score.

I agree. I think it's more important to cancel a card that you may replace with a lower interest card or card with more perks. It's also important to cancel those "6 months same-as-cash" accounts you may get at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc., when you pay off the purchase. Lenders see these open accounts as potential for debt so close them out in writing even if you never plan on using them.

BritGuyTN Jan 7th 2008 1:16 am

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Originally Posted by georgio (Post 5739412)
Hey, thanks again for the advice. I think I've done quite well by avoiding the secured card - giving the bank $1000 of mine to hold onto for a year seems quite an expensive way to build credit. .

you can get a secured card with $500 from bank of america

interest in a top savings account is about 4.25% now before tax so in effect the cost is about $20 a year in lost interest

scrubbedexpat099 Jan 7th 2008 2:29 am

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Depends on your Utility and whether they report to the Bureaus, mine did not.

Probably unusual.

Dan725 Jan 7th 2008 2:44 am

Re: Another credit card post...
 

Originally Posted by cpltony (Post 5750150)
Best advise I can give....pay it off and cut it up.
Self insure and keep $1000 in your savings at all time for emergencies.....because life happens :thumbsup:

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A grand? How much you set aside is obviously dependent on circumstances, but I'd say for anyone, $1000 in savings is nowhere near enough!

tamms_1965 Jan 7th 2008 2:50 am

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Originally Posted by Dan725 (Post 5752730)
A grand? How much you set aside is obviously dependent on circumstances, but I'd say for anyone, $1000 in savings is nowhere near enough!

True...unless you have easy access to cash....cashing in CDs, stocks, 2nd mortgage, selling your first born, etc. However, many younger folks (and some old) don't plan for this and before they know it their rent, car payment, etc. prevent them from saving anything.

BritGuyTN Jan 7th 2008 2:51 am

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Originally Posted by tamms_1965 (Post 5752413)
I agree. I think it's more important to cancel a card that you may replace with a lower interest card or card with more perks. It's also important to cancel those "6 months same-as-cash" accounts you may get at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc., when you pay off the purchase. Lenders see these open accounts as potential for debt so close them out in writing even if you never plan on using them.

doing what you suggest reduces you credit score

your credit score is not affected by the amount of potential debt you can get into, it cares about your overall utilization of credit which is harmed by reducing credit limits or closing revolving tradelines (store cards/credit cards)

tamms_1965 Jan 7th 2008 2:54 am

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Originally Posted by BritGuyTN (Post 5752754)
doing what you suggest reduces you credit score

your credit score is not affected by the amount of potential debt you can get into, it cares about your overall utilization of credit which is harmed by reducing credit limits or closing revolving tradelines (store cards/credit cards)

I was told by 2 different loan officers (when purchasing homes) I should always do this because potential lenders see it as potential debt.....nothing was said about credit score. It could effect how much you can borrow or your interest rate when buying a home.

BritGuyTN Jan 7th 2008 2:54 am

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Originally Posted by scot free (Post 5751405)
There's plenty of disnformation about credit bureaus on both sides of the Atlantic. Over here, it's actually possible to get a 'reasonable' (i.e. good enough to get a proper credit card) score on the back of paying-off a utility bill each month. That said lenders are generally raising their 'pass' scores due to the current economic conditions.

The best advice is to either build you credit in small steps(as advised elsewhere on this thread), or go for a card linked to your bank or mortgage company. I applied for a mortgage with Wells Fargo as I was tipped-off that they had a special ex-pat team. I was accepted and got a good rate. Since getting the keys I've had plenty of credit card offers!

your first paragraph is complete and utter bollocks

utility bills have no positive bearing on your credit report or credit score

if you default and go into collections it will obviously go down as a negative...

you can get a letter from utilitiy company that shows good payment history to give to another utility company however

BritGuyTN Jan 7th 2008 3:05 am

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Originally Posted by tamms_1965 (Post 5752768)
I was told by 2 different loan officers (when purchasing homes) I should always do this because potential lenders see it as potential debt.....nothing was said about credit score. It could effect how much you can borrow or your interest rate when buying a home.

loan officers talk 98% complete crap in many states there is not even a licensing exam

closing revolving accounts reduces your score in two ways

if its an old account they your length of history is reduced

it increases you % utilization if you have any other balances

I have nearly 100k in available credit and have a decent score and have never had a problem getting mortgages

Dan725 Jan 7th 2008 3:07 am

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Originally Posted by BritGuyTN (Post 5752803)
loan officers talk 98% complete crap in many states there is not even a licensing exam

closing revolving accounts reduces your score in two ways

if its an old account they your length of history is reduced

it increases you % utilization if you have any other balances

I have nearly 100k in available credit and have a decent score and have never had a problem getting mortgages

Generally agree, but if you close an old account, does it not remain on your record for several years? I know on my credit report the one credit card account we closed is still there showing all payment history and the "Closed by Customer" statement.

tamms_1965 Jan 7th 2008 3:11 am

Re: Another credit card post...
 

Originally Posted by BritGuyTN (Post 5752803)
loan officers talk 98% complete crap in many states there is not even a licensing exam

closing revolving accounts reduces your score in two ways

if its an old account they your length of history is reduced

it increases you % utilization if you have any other balances

I have nearly 100k in available credit and have a decent score and have never had a problem getting mortgages


My current loan officer I've had for for 2 homes now....she is extremely competent and knows her stuff. But what I'm trying to say it MAY prevent you from borrowing MORE money for a home or it may even disqualify you from a better rate. I have better than a decent score...I have an excellent score.

tamms_1965 Jan 7th 2008 3:12 am

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Originally Posted by Dan725 (Post 5752811)
Generally agree, but if you close an old account, does it not remain on your record for several years? I know on my credit report the one credit card account we closed is still there showing all payment history and the "Closed by Customer" statement.

Yes...that is what you want, "closed by customer." It looks better that you closed it because you no longer want it.

"Does having too many credit cards affect a credit score?
Having too many credit cards with either high balances or large amounts of credit available can negatively impact risk scores depending on the overall credit history. " www.experian.com

BritGuyTN Jan 7th 2008 3:19 am

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Originally Posted by tamms_1965 (Post 5752826)
My current loan officer I've had for for 2 homes now....she is extremely competent and knows her stuff. But what I'm trying to say it MAY prevent you from borrowing MORE money for a home or it may even disqualify you from a better rate. I have better than a decent score...I have an excellent score.

considering most of the people I have spoken to who run credit repair/counselling companies talk nonsense I hold the view that mortgage sales people are generally not the people to go to regarding advice on credit scoring.

i don't dispute that having a lot of available credit may make some underwriting software or persons get a bit twitchy, I'm just saying that closing accounts is almost always a bad thing from a credit score perspective

I'm about to get 3 more mortgages this month and the recent shopping around has reinforced my opinion of mortgage sales people

tamms_1965 Jan 7th 2008 4:00 am

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Originally Posted by BritGuyTN (Post 5752850)
considering most of the people I have spoken to who run credit repair/counselling companies talk nonsense I hold the view that mortgage sales people are generally not the people to go to regarding advice on credit scoring.

i don't dispute that having a lot of available credit may make some underwriting software or persons get a bit twitchy, I'm just saying that closing accounts is almost always a bad thing from a credit score perspective

I'm about to get 3 more mortgages this month and the recent shopping around has reinforced my opinion of mortgage sales people

I think we may be talking apples and oranges here. There is a difference in a mortgage sales person and a loan officer. Some people act like an agent to find you a loan...they deal with multiple lenders. Some people work for one lending institution. I have had dealings with both....it only took one dealing with the multi-company person. I much prefer dealing with the one institution person, she works for a real bank where people have checking/savings accounts, etc. in addition to a mortgage dept.


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