Andrea Yates verdict overturned
#31
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Re: Andrea Yates verdict overturned
Originally Posted by Manc
you judgemental sod.
He was at work.
working.
paying the mortgage.
He was at work.
working.
paying the mortgage.
He isn;t the only man in the world doing this. but obviously there were problems and they were not addressed
Sad situation
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Re: Andrea Yates verdict overturned
Originally Posted by Manc
you judgemental sod.
He was at work.
working.
paying the mortgage.
He was at work.
working.
paying the mortgage.
I am not a judgemental sod
I am allowed an opinion too
I also presume you are male and not a stay at home husband with 5 kids to raise (Just guessing)
#33
Re: Andrea Yates verdict overturned
Originally Posted by Perfumdiva1
I also presume you are male and not a stay at home husband with 5 kids to raise (Just guessing)
murder is murder, it cannot be excused or rationalised nor blamed on anyone else but the perpretrator of the crime.
I don't care how depressed anyone is, drowning 5 kids in a bathtub is wrong and punishment is what she needs, not rehabilitation or counselling.
#34
Re: Andrea Yates verdict overturned
Originally Posted by Manc
you judgemental sod.
He was at work.
working.
paying the mortgage.
He was at work.
working.
paying the mortgage.
there's more to being a husband /father than paying the bills!! Yes it's important and as a family that's spent it's entirity living pay check to paycheck I know how important but.....
if i was going nuts my husband would be there for me...he's my partner , my life companion whatever i expect not only financial support but emotional support too!!! damanding sod aren't I
this guy had a good job !! worked for NASA dammit !!
why the hell weren't those boys in school?? i'm sure they could have afforded pre K for the ones not yet old enough to attend? without knowing all the details I'm loath to criticise but bottom line her husband should have definitly done more to address the problem!!
#35
Re: Andrea Yates verdict overturned
Originally Posted by Celtic_Angel
why the hell weren't those boys in school?? i'm sure they could have afforded pre K for the ones not yet old enough to attend? without knowing all the details I'm loath to criticise but bottom line her husband should have definitly done more to address the problem!!
however,
she can just as well do that on her own by tying a few knots.
and as for the excuse, "He wouldn't allow her."
well last time I checked, this was America.
#36
Re: Andrea Yates verdict overturned
Originally Posted by Manc
and punishment is what she needs, not rehabilitation or counselling.
#37
Re: Andrea Yates verdict overturned
Originally Posted by Manc
it's all very well saying he should have stopped having kids with her.
however,
she can just as well do that on her own by tying a few knots.
and as for the excuse, "He wouldn't allow her."
well last time I checked, this was America.
however,
she can just as well do that on her own by tying a few knots.
and as for the excuse, "He wouldn't allow her."
well last time I checked, this was America.
and are you seriously suggesting that just because we live in a "Free Country" that some women aren't dominated in a relationship? that's absurd!
#38
Re: Andrea Yates verdict overturned
Originally Posted by Celtic_Angel
and are you seriously suggesting that just because we live in a "Free Country" that some women aren't dominated in a relationship? that's absurd!
seriously...........
There is always an exit door though here.
maybe not so in the more fundamentalist countries, but here at least, there is always an exit door.
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Re: Andrea Yates verdict overturned
Originally Posted by Perfumdiva1
OK, you put yourself in her shoes for one moment, and not just during this period of her life, but the years building up to it
Clearly the woman was unstable, and any husband in his right mind would have put his wife through another pregnancy, never mind another 4.
I have friends, where the wife suffered terribly due to PPD, and as a family, they decided against having any more kids
It was the right decision for them, otherwise God only knows what would have happened
Andrea did a terrible thing, this I am not arguing, but she needed help and did not get it..
Such a sad tale and I am sure many people here in Houston, are having a hard time with the decision they made regarding this womans well-being
Again, my opinion only..
Clearly the woman was unstable, and any husband in his right mind would have put his wife through another pregnancy, never mind another 4.
I have friends, where the wife suffered terribly due to PPD, and as a family, they decided against having any more kids
It was the right decision for them, otherwise God only knows what would have happened
Andrea did a terrible thing, this I am not arguing, but she needed help and did not get it..
Such a sad tale and I am sure many people here in Houston, are having a hard time with the decision they made regarding this womans well-being
Again, my opinion only..
#40
Re: Andrea Yates verdict overturned
Originally Posted by Manc
only if they ask nicely.
seriously...........
There is always an exit door though here.
maybe not so in the more fundamentalist countries, but here at least, there is always an exit door.
seriously...........
There is always an exit door though here.
maybe not so in the more fundamentalist countries, but here at least, there is always an exit door.
#41
Re: Andrea Yates verdict overturned
Originally Posted by Patent Attorney
Kill a plurality of children by your own hands you do time that lasts a life time. Other children must be protected from those that think they could do a "Yates" and get away with it.
but prevention is better than cure, were not talking about cold calculated murder here but a loving mother gone absolutly insane.....best find out why and immediatly recognise the warning signs to prevent other gruesome murders
#42
Re: Andrea Yates verdict overturned
Originally Posted by Celtic_Angel
oh gawds Manc!! what are you talking about leave with 5 kids!! you can't possibly be serious? And besides who says they weren't in love? i don't know if he dominated her? What I do know is that he is responsible in someway by totally neglecting the situation...maybe he just didn't take PPD seriously enough a gross misjudgement....that's why i'm saying , lets educate society about this serious problem, not doing so has terrible consequences!
No-one mentioned leaving with 5 kids.
why do you presume that for her to leave she needs to take her kids with her?
she can leave on her own.
The Dad was/is just as entitled to keep the children as she is leaving with them.
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Re: Andrea Yates verdict overturned
Well obviously all she needs is a jury of 12 women who have kids and she will be free to go murder other kids she may well have then ? Drown the bitch & be done with it.
#44
Re: Andrea Yates verdict overturned
Originally Posted by Manc
why do you presume that for her to leave she needs to take her kids with her?
she can leave on her own.
The Dad was/is just as entitled to keep the children as she is leaving with them.
she can leave on her own.
The Dad was/is just as entitled to keep the children as she is leaving with them.
#45
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Re: Andrea Yates verdict overturned
Originally Posted by Manc
she still did it though.
blaming the husband is like saying Laci Peterson brought it on herself.
blaming the husband is like saying Laci Peterson brought it on herself.
PPD is a genuine condition, which she obviously had. Trained professionals who treated her knew about it, therefore, this is a genuine case of mental illness, and she should be sent to a psychiatric facility.
Yes, it is a free country. She may have left. But 'could' she?
I guess you will say the same about battered women? That they could have left if they so wished. If you have ever been around a long term battered woman, or worked with one, you'd know that it is not that simple, in fact, its extremely complicated.
This woman obviously suffered from the same 'condition'.