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Old Jul 22nd 2011, 1:05 pm
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Originally Posted by joto
When did "Nutella" become Nootella, and "Herbs" become 'erbs?
How else would you pronounce these?
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
What I would worry about a lot more than "Americanisms" is the effect on the language of texting! I'm starting to see more and more communications along the lines of

'r u fk me? LOL '

and I'm not talking about SMS texts ...

My niece makes no attempt to capitalize in email, and punctuation seems almost optional.
Surely literate people adapt their use of language to the medium .. so may write the same thing differently in a text, an email, a posting in an online forum, or formal writing for publication. So in that sense texting enriches the language! All part of life's rich tapestry etc!!
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Originally Posted by robin1234

However, someone mentioned "HERB" pronounced "'ERB"... The OED informs us that "'ERB" was the standard pronunciation for herb before about 1800, since then we pronounce it with the "H" pronounced. So with herb, Americans are just using an archaic pronunciation which is of course quite legitimate.
Hey, lyonsden1193 - and from the OED no less!
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It's all the Americans fault. Just look what they've done:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL1jDcAHkc8
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I've worked it out - the English language has the word 'oil' in it. That'd be why the Americans are tearing it apart for no apparent reason
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Originally Posted by Leslie
It's all the Americans fault. Just look what they've done:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL1jDcAHkc8
'ang on, 'ang on - that interview sounded like it was in LONDON! And if the guy sounded unintelligible or "on" something, why did the reporter carry on listening to him?
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
I've worked it out - the English language has the word 'oil' in it. That'd be why the Americans are tearing it apart for no apparent reason
You can hang on too - seems to me I heard tell the UK fought a war in the Falklands in order to safeguard and keep hold of one of the largest OIL deposits in the Atlantic! (Not that I dispute the American greed for oil - but we ain't the only ones, bub!)
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Originally Posted by Leslie
It's all the Americans fault. Just look what they've done:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL1jDcAHkc8
Harvard Grad??

As for Herb...erb... O E D has it right... Archaic pron... that is why we invented the colonies
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing
I've worked it out - the English language has the word 'oil' in it. That'd be why the Americans are tearing it apart for no apparent reason
To paraphrase Captain Edmund Blackadder, the country that once managed to sway hold over a quarter of the world's populace, and a quarter of the world's land mass can hardly be entirely absolved of all the blame on the imperialistic front.
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Originally Posted by Kar98
To paraphrase Captain Edmund Blackadder, the country that once managed to sway hold over a quarter of the world's populace, and a quarter of the world's land mass can hardly be entirely absolved of all the blame on the imperialistic front.
Aye, and they made us give everyone their countries back as well
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Originally Posted by Egg and Cress
You can hang on too - seems to me I heard tell the UK fought a war in the Falklands in order to safeguard and keep hold of one of the largest OIL deposits in the Atlantic! (Not that I dispute the American greed for oil - but we ain't the only ones, bub!)
Falklands? No .. that was a matter of principle; the right to national self-determination of the people of the Falklands. (I'm fairly sure that was what the milk-snatcher said.)
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Originally Posted by robin1234
Falklands? No .. that was a matter of principle; the right to national self-determination of the people of the Falklands. (I'm fairly sure that was what the milk-snatcher said.)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...l-dispute.html


At the time of the Falklands I had heard about the oil but it was a fairly tightly lipped comment. Now of course its out there.

Remember .. the milk snatcher was a big Murdoch fan .. so who the hell knows what the truth was!!
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Originally Posted by lyonsden1193
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...l-dispute.html


At the time of the Falklands I had heard about the oil but it was a fairly tightly lipped comment. Now of course its out there.

Remember .. the milk snatcher was a big Murdoch fan .. so who the hell knows what the truth was!!
This story is almost two years old, and eventually came to nothing. There was no oil.

The original dispute was about protecting a British posession after a hostile invasion by those Argies!, and defending the islander's wishes to live under British rule. (Unlike the current British operations in Lybia. But thats another story...)
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Originally Posted by ljaw2002uk
This story is almost two years old, and eventually came to nothing. There was no oil.

The original dispute was about protecting a British posession after a hostile invasion by those Argies!, and defending the islander's wishes to live under British rule. (Unlike the current British operations in Lybia. But thats another story...)
http://www.offshoreenergytoday.com/f...ckhopper-says/

http://mergersandacquisitionreviewco...l-and-gas.html


Guess what.. they had found it in the seventies but wasn't viable to get it then.. now they are going for it..... we didn't go to war to protect 2 million sheep!
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Originally Posted by robin1234
Surely literate people adapt their use of language to the medium .. so may write the same thing differently in a text, an email, a posting in an online forum, or formal writing for publication. So in that sense texting enriches the language! All part of life's rich tapestry etc!!
I have to agree. While I personally would never use abbreviations like 'r u' (for 'are you'), it does smack of efficiency and one wonders why we ddn't think of it earlier! Think of how much paper and ink would have been saved had these abbreviations been used! I know I have readily adapted to 'program' instead of 'programme', 'analog' instead of 'analogue', etc - there is zero added value/benefit to using the longer forms. I would expect the official "English" language (being inherently adaptable) to adopt these improvements.

And I have to confess, it is very convenient to use ':' and ")" together in a sentence to indicate a smile or humor. I do use them now in semi-formal communications (emails to people at work, etc).
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