6 killed in Minneapolis bridge collapse
MINNEAPOLIS - An interstate bridge suddenly broke into huge sections and collapsed into the Mississippi River during bumper-to-bumper traffic Wednesday, killing at least six people and sending vehicles, tons of concrete and twisted metal crashing into the water.
Jamie Winegar of Houston said she was sitting in traffic when all of a sudden she started hearing "boom, boom, boom and we were just dropping, dropping, dropping, dropping." Homeland Security Department spokesman Russ Knocke also said the collapse did not appear to be terrorism-related. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070802/...ridge_collapse |
Re: 6 killed in Minneapolis bridge collapse
Have been following this all evening. Absolutely awful! :( Up to 7 deaths now. :(
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Originally Posted by Maz
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Have been following this all evening. Absolutely awful! :( Up to 7 deaths now. :(
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OMG! That is so scary Dee.! :eek:
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Watched the coverage just after the collapse on Sky News and my thoughts go out to all those affected by this awful incident not just those lost and injured but also the 911 services who have to deal with the awful circumstances.
Makes you wonder about other bridges i know of which have known problems and are being worked on to strengthen and lengthen their useable life. I remember being advised that i and my colleagues were not allowed to stop on the hard shoulder of a large UK motorway overbridge and under no circumstances were heavy loads to stop on the same area due to known weaknesses that were being worked on at the time. The bridge concerned stayed fully open throughout the work. |
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In a country thats roads are built to a lesser level than the Romans did we really expect the bridges to be built any better?
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Originally Posted by Rushman
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In a country thats roads are built to a lesser level than the Romans did we really expect the bridges to be built any better?
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Re: 6 killed in Minneapolis bridge collapse
Originally Posted by Rushman
(Post 5137940)
In a country thats roads are built to a lesser level than the Romans did we really expect the bridges to be built any better?
You get the roads that the general public will pay for. Did you ever see a politician elected when running on a "Let's build better, more expensive, roads" platform? It takes a catastrophe for the great unwashed to want to spend money on the infrastructure, if they don't feel threatened they don't want to pay the freight. |
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Originally Posted by paddingtongreen
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It takes a catastrophe for the great unwashed to want to spend money on the infrastructure, if they don't feel threatened they don't want to pay the freight.
The bridges built in the 60s did not anticipate traffic jams in which there was start/stop traffic and a constantly heavy load. The typical load of today is heavier than that of the 60s (due to the rise in trucking loads mainly). |
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Originally Posted by snowbunny
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Wasn't Katrina enough? :(
The bridges built in the 60s did not anticipate traffic jams in which there was start/stop traffic and a constantly heavy load. The typical load of today is heavier than that of the 60s (due to the rise in trucking loads mainly). I did a little bridge design in the sixties and then none until about seven years ago. I was surprised to find that for the shorter bridges, the newer HS20 loading didn't need more strength. While the axle loads were greater, the trucks were longer, so there were less axles on the bridge. The main change was in the horizontal loads, in line and lateral, they had become important. |
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Originally Posted by snowbunny
(Post 5139696)
Wasn't Katrina enough? :(
The bridges built in the 60s did not anticipate traffic jams in which there was start/stop traffic and a constantly heavy load. The typical load of today is heavier than that of the 60s (due to the rise in trucking loads mainly). Add the freeze/thaw cycle of the cold climate and the constant salting of the roads in MN... it's not hard to imagine what happened. Also, 52 kids were on a school bus on the bridge when it collapsed. the bus fell 30 feet :ohmy: Thank God, they're all OK... http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/02/bri...bus/index.html |
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Still over 30 missing, when or if they find the cars, they are going to be pulling bodies from them :(
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Originally Posted by paddingtongreen
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Katrina was a naturally occurring event.
As I noted elsewhere bridges are built by design to certain conditions that may not lend themselves well to changes in the forces exerted upon them. I find it disheartening that we've gone from the 60s, where scientists were listened to keenly as we raced for the moon, to now, where scientists and engineers are considered to be rumour-mongers and are ignored when it comes to "inconvenient truths." |
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Originally Posted by Pony
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Homeland Security Department spokesman Russ Knocke also said the collapse did not appear to be terrorism-related.
When you send billions on phoney wars and chasing people in the mountains of Tora Bora, compounded by this countries obsession with keeping taxes as low as possible....... it doesn't leave much to keep the infrastructure upto date. |
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good point
Rep. James Oberstar, the Minnesota Democrat who chairs the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, blamed President George W. Bush's administration for shortchanging road and bridge repair in a highway funding bill two years ago. Bush, he said, "failed to support a robust investment in surface transportation," adding the president insisted on only $2 billion a year for bridge reconstruction when lawmakers were pushing for $3 billion a year. A 2005 report by the American Society of Civil Engineers gave the country's infrastructure an unacceptable D grade -- almost failing. The group estimated the United States needed to spend $1.6 trillion over five years to put its infrastructure into good shape. - So no invasions for a couple of years and the job is sorted! http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070802/...structure_dc_1
Originally Posted by Manc
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It's absolutely terrorism related...........
When you send billions on phoney wars and chasing people in the mountains of Tora Bora, compounded by this countries obsession with keeping taxes as low as possible....... it doesn't leave much to keep the infrastructure upto date. |
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