To 401k or not 401k
Hey so now things are settling down over here I'm wondering about this.
Work HR system reminds me about all the benefits including 401k which I've not enrolled in just yet. Think it's a fairly standard scheme where they match contributions, to a point. I've a reasonable UK pension pot also, now frozen of course. Is it worth paying into a 401k? Even if at this stage I've no idea where I would retire? I know you can withdraw from 401k with 10% cost for early withdraw. Seems to me with a employer matching scheme unless I got taxed 50% or more I'd still be better off taking advantage of it. Especially while my UK pension is frozen. Thoughts? |
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Yes get yourself a 401K. I am not aware of any downside. Full stop.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12263095)
Yes get yourself a 401K. I am not aware of any downside. Full stop.
BTW there's a Pulaski bridge just around the corner 🤔 If I may hijack my own thread also about HSA (health care savings?) - I'm a bit lost on health care. I've enrolled in what seems to be a decent but basic plan. I also have some sort of health savings pot, currently set to $0, is that something everyone also contributes too? If you don't use it, is it lost? |
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401K:
Definitely get this and take full advantage of any level of employer match. If offered you may want to look into a Roth 401K as apposed to traditional. HSA: This is a triple tax advantaged account (if you pay for qualified medical expenses). Your money goes in tax free, it can be invested and gain tax free, it can be spent tax free (on qualified expenses). I would recommend having enough money in a HSA to cover at least a year of healthcare (deductables, max oop etc). Your employer may also match or fund this account too! |
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Originally Posted by tom169
(Post 12263108)
401K:
Definitely get this and take full advantage of any level of employer match. If offered you may want to look into a Roth 401K as apposed to traditional. HSA: This is a triple tax advantaged account (if you pay for qualified medical expenses). Your money goes in tax free, it can be invested and gain tax free, it can be spent tax free (on qualified expenses). I would recommend having enough money in a HSA to cover at least a year of healthcare (deductables, max oop etc). Your employer may also match or fund this account too! I've just signed up for tax free metro card offer too, seems all these benefits do add up, definitely worth while. |
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Originally Posted by tom169
(Post 12263108)
.... HSA:
This is a triple tax advantaged account (if you pay for qualified medical expenses). Your money goes in tax free, it can be invested and gain tax free, it can be spent tax free (on qualified expenses). |
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12263115)
You can only get an HSA if you have high deductible medical insurance. I am a huge fan of HD medical insurance and makes sense under most circumstances so long as your health is average or better.
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Originally Posted by LouisB
(Post 12263114)
Great, thank you. I've literally no idea what a year of max deductibles is, how could I figure it out?
I've just signed up for tax free metro card offer too, seems all these benefits do add up, definitely worth while. HSAs balances do not expire and you can keep them for life, other plans not so much. Not sure what tax free metro card is. |
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Originally Posted by tom169
(Post 12263118)
Consult your plan information (HR should provide this). As Pulaski says, to have a HSA you need to have a qualifying plan.
HSAs balances do not expire and you can keep them for life, other plans not so much. Not sure what tax free metro card is. Ah the metro card thing was just another little perk, pay for metro out of tax free gross earnings, useful. |
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Originally Posted by LouisB
(Post 12263120)
Looks like I had choice of either, I picked non HSA think I can change it later. Didn't know the difference. Will try get some specifics on it.
Ah the metro card thing was just another little perk, pay for metro out of tax free gross earnings, useful. Health insurance is a massively complex issue, but fundamentally depends on what sort of insurance policies your employer subsidizes. .... Bear in mind that 94% of employers with shares on the stock exchange "self insure", meaning they determine the premiums, and pay out for treatment, and only use a health insurance company to manage the scheme. ..... I will guarantee that this is news to a large majority of people in the US covered through their employer's health insurance as they think they are being insured by whoever is managing the scheme! For someone coming from the UK with health care provided by the NHS, what I am about to say may be shocking, and probably counter-intuitive: you will likely be better off choosing insurance with a relatively low premium and a high deductible (UK speak: "excess") - look for a "high deductible" plan, and then paying for your basic healthcare yourself. You can do this using a "health savings account" (HSA) which works a bit like a private pension - you can fund it using pretax income, and your employer will probably chip-in some money too, then draw funds at any time for legitimate healthcare expenses. Preventive treatments, such as vaccinations, and screenings, including an annual physical are free, paid for by your insurance(that is required under US law), but the cost of occasional trips to the doctor and prescriptions such as antibiotics and other commonly prescribed drugs, will cost you less over all if YOU pay for them rather than if you pay a higher premium for insurance with a low deductible, which may still be $500-$1,000. What pushed us over to HD insurance was realizing that we used so little medical services that we weren't even exceeding the LOW deductible! What we realized was that we were paying high premiums and receiving no benefit from them! If you don't use the funds in your HSA they roll up year on year. The aggregate balances in the HSA's that my wife and I have are very substantial, and as we continue to fund them each year to the maximum allowed by the IRS, they will likely provide a very useful cushion for medical expenses in our retirement. For cost effective and tax efficient health insurance more and more people are realizing that "high deductible" (HD) insurance combined with a "Health Savings Account" (HSA) is the best choice. The HSA works like a private pension - you put "before tax" money into it, and then you can use it for medical expenses and if you don't use it then you have it for future years. The thing is, with HD insurance you pay the first, typically, about $2,500-$3,000 per person of medical expenses, so if all three of your family members ALL got injured (broken bones), or need other expensive treatment IN THE SAME YEAR, then you could end up using all your $6,800 maximum contribution to your HSA. But if you are generally low-moderate users of medical services, then after the first year you will have your brought forward HSA balance, and it can roll up remarkably quickly - after seven years my HSA balance is a long way into five figures, so given that in the worst case scenario when my wife, my daughter, and me ALL get seriously sick or injured the insurance picks up everything after about $8,500, I am unlikely to ever have to worry about medical expenses. :) FWIW a colleague of mine switched to HD/HSA and swears it was the best decision for him and his family despite one of his four children breaking an arm in the first six months on HD insurance. Another colleague with three children thinks the same despite having three children, two of whom are boys who play sports and get their share of bumps and bruises. |
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And open a Roth IRA so that you have the option of rollover from the 401k to the Roth IRA after leaving the US.
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Re: To 401k or not 401k
Originally Posted by Aoi
(Post 12263213)
And open a Roth IRA so that you have the option of rollover from the 401k to the Roth IRA after leaving the US.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12263095)
Yes get yourself a 401K. I am not aware of any downside. Full stop.
Though the possible downside is high fees and limited investment choices in some 401ks. But even then, it's probably worthwhile. |
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Originally Posted by Aoi
(Post 12263213)
And open a Roth IRA so that you have the option of rollover from the 401k to the Roth IRA after leaving the US.
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Do a 401k, i was in same boat when i moved, and did so.
Also the healthcare confusion - i had the same until i needed to use it. I have a $1,250 deductible, and my work contributes $500 per year to my HSA pot, i can contribute more to my HSA should i wish. I recently had to have stitches after a superb landing whilst skydiving, gave my insurance information to the doctors, and they charged my insurance $1,150 - Cigna then 'discounted' this to $210 - that came out of my pot, and then went toward my deductible which i never expected. Basically i can only spend another $1,040 toward my healthcare this year, after that it's free. Bear in mind, It's only me on my healthcare plan, i don't have to worry about kids, and the wife has her own plan with her work. |
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