Re: 2 large explosions at Boston Marathon
Originally Posted by Scouse Express
(Post 10681584)
Mother overheard "discussing Jihad" - Extradite her back here asap! ....[/url]
Merely collecting names is utterly pointless if you don't have a plan to do something meaningful with those names. :unsure: |
Re: 2 large explosions at Boston Marathon
It's not a popular thing to say, I know, but why are we all so reluctant to look at terrorist activities within the US in the wider context of terrorist activities elsewhere in the world - particularly, US terrorist activities in the Middle East? The US's inexorable drone program alone is infinitely more effective in killing innocent people than occasional incidents like the Boston IEDs.
I'm not trying to be provocative, here, or even to push a bleeding-heart human-rights agenda - but fair's fair. To Americans, these two Chechyen fanatics are Bad Guys, and so are the misguided people who support them. But to Afghanistanis and Pakistanis, the serial-killer drone "pilots" are Bad Guys, and so are the misguided people who support them. If the US government would stop its terrorist program against Moslems, would Moslems stop their terrorist program against Americans? I guess we'll never know. |
Re: 2 large explosions at Boston Marathon
Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
(Post 10682253)
It's not a popular thing to say, I know, but why are we all so reluctant to look at terrorist activities within the US in the wider context of terrorist activities elsewhere in the world - particularly, US terrorist activities in the Middle East? The US's inexorable drone program alone is infinitely more effective in killing innocent people than occasional incidents like the Boston IEDs.
I'm not trying to be provocative, here, or even to push a bleeding-heart human-rights agenda - but fair's fair. To Americans, these two Chechyen fanatics are Bad Guys, and so are the misguided people who support them. But to Afghanistanis and Pakistanis, the serial-killer drone "pilots" are Bad Guys, and so are the misguided people who support them. If the US government would stop its terrorist program against Moslems, would Moslems stop their terrorist program against Americans? I guess we'll never know. Interesting that the US's first overseas adventure did involve them. I would agree that most of this is a complete waste of resources, seems Syria is next on the list according to Barry. Why is difficult to discern. Causes more problems than is solves. |
Re: 2 large explosions at Boston Marathon
Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
(Post 10682253)
..... If the US government would stop its terrorist program against Moslems, would Moslems stop their terrorist program against Americans? I guess we'll never know.
Of course, that muslim nationalists still get bent out of shape over the crusades 800 years later (and that was a series of conflicts that the muslims eventually WON), would suggest that placating them is likely a very long term project! :rolleyes: |
Re: 2 large explosions at Boston Marathon
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 10682269)
I don't remember much, if any, direction military action in the Middle East or muslim world in the ten years prior to 9/11, with Desert Storm being the previous military action in early 1991. So I would hazard a guess that ceasing the drone program would not be the entire solution.
Of course, that muslim nationalists still get bent out of shape over the crusades 800 years later (and that was a series of conflicts that the muslims eventually WON), would suggest that placating them is likely a very long term project! :rolleyes: |
Re: 2 large explosions at Boston Marathon
Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
(Post 10682253)
If the US government would stop its terrorist program against Moslems, would Moslems stop their terrorist program against Americans? I guess we'll never know. |
Re: 2 large explosions at Boston Marathon
The Iraq/Iran war was one of the few successes.
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Re: 2 large explosions at Boston Marathon
Originally Posted by Nokoman
(Post 10682336)
And the Brits, Spanish, Australians, Russians, Indians, Bali.. etc etc.
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Re: 2 large explosions at Boston Marathon
Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
(Post 10682373)
.... therefore it is the US program against Moslems that is relevant, .....
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Re: 2 large explosions at Boston Marathon
Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
(Post 10682373)
Well of course. But this thread's topic is about Boston, USA; therefore it is the US program against Moslems that is relevant, not the other nations' programs.
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Re: 2 large explosions at Boston Marathon
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 10682406)
As noted by Boiler above, there is no US program against muslims.
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Re: 2 large explosions at Boston Marathon
Originally Posted by dakota44
(Post 10682324)
I believe most of the damage was done by our support of people like Saddam Hussein , The Shah of Iran, and numerous others. In the case of the Shah, we helped overthrow the legitimate government and install him and as a result he would torture and kill countless Iranians. Saddam did the same in Iraq. We supplied Saddam with weapons against Iran, and Iran with weapons against Iraq. We looked away when Saddam used gas on the Iranians as well against their own citizens. We facilitated and supported the rule of despots all over the Middle East and they in turn committed far more mayhem against their people than we commit with drone attacks. We did not need to engage in direct military action. We were doing enough damage behind the scenes.
I suspect that the real reason is that small number, relative to the total number of muslims really do believe in wiping out the nonbelievers, and if that is the case there really is no end in sight to the bloodshed, and withdrawal of western forces is not going to stop more Bostons occurring. :scaredhair: |
Re: 2 large explosions at Boston Marathon
In the case of the dumb ass brothers, I think their religion had little to do with their actions. The younger one looks especially stupid - he could probably been recruited by the KKK if he had lived in a different city etc.
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Re: 2 large explosions at Boston Marathon
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 10682701)
Do you really think they are avenging political wrong- doing (regime overthrow and despot support) from 30-40 years ago? I mean, the Shah of Iran was ousted 34 years ago! OK, I know I talked about some of them still being bitter about the crusades, but seriously!!
I suspect that the real reason is that small number, relative to the total number of muslims really do believe in wiping out the nonbelievers, and if that is the case there really is no end in sight to the bloodshed, and withdrawal of western forces is not going to stop more Bostons occurring. :scaredhair: Part of the problem seems to be that there is a magic solution, history says otherwise. |
Re: 2 large explosions at Boston Marathon
Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 10682701)
Do you really think they are avenging political wrong- doing (regime overthrow and despot support) from 30-40 years ago? I mean, the Shah of Iran was ousted 34 years ago! OK, I know I talked about some of them still being bitter about the crusades, but seriously!!
I suspect that the real reason is that small number, relative to the total number of muslims really do believe in wiping out the nonbelievers, and if that is the case there really is no end in sight to the bloodshed, and withdrawal of western forces is not going to stop more Bostons occurring. :scaredhair: |
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