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Old Apr 22nd 2013, 3:48 pm
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Don't get the problem with the 'U-S-A chant' - it's no worse than chanting 'En-ger-Lund, En-ger-lund, En-ger-lund'. It's much better than than the U.S national anthem which no-one can sing and which was ripped off from a British drinking song. If you want an example of a nasty chant/anthem look no further than La Marseillaise with the 'blood of the impure' irrigating the fields and what-not.
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Old Apr 22nd 2013, 3:49 pm
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So what will the fallout be?

Has this whole episode provided a blueprint and encouragement for others to go on a similar terror rampage? Or will the relatively swift death and apprehension of the 2 bombers deter others from trying something similar? Will the use of CCTV increase in the US? Seems to me that suicide bombers wouldn't care since the act is the be all and end all.

To be quite honest, I am simply amazed that there haven't been more of these incidents in the years since 9/11. Either the US authorities are doing an amazing job behind the scenes to stop stuff from happening or the enemies of the US are completely incompetent. Maybe a blend of both is true.
I agree with your last comment
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Old Apr 22nd 2013, 3:51 pm
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So what will the fallout be?

Has this whole episode provided a blueprint and encouragement for others to go on a similar terror rampage? Or will the relatively swift death and apprehension of the 2 bombers deter others from trying something similar? Will the use of CCTV increase in the US? Seems to me that suicide bombers wouldn't care since the act is the be all and end all.

To be quite honest, I am simply amazed that there haven't been more of these incidents in the years since 9/11. Either the US authorities are doing an amazing job behind the scenes to stop stuff from happening or the enemies of the US are completely incompetent. Maybe a blend of both is true.
Both. There have been lots of these attacks stopped before they happened. Drones have also done a lot to diminish the external organizations.
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So please clarify what you meant by "more"
The greater availability of more advanced equipment, treatment options and drugs in better and more common world class facilities per capita.
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Don't get the problem with the 'U-S-A chant' - it's no worse than chanting 'En-ger-Lund, En-ger-lund, En-ger-lund'. It's much better than than the U.S national anthem which no-one can sing and which was ripped off from a British drinking song. If you want an example of a nasty chant/anthem look no further than La Marseillaise with the 'blood of the impure' irrigating the fields and what-not.
But do we chant 'Engerland' after a terrorist incident?
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Originally Posted by MarylandNed View Post
So what will the fallout be?

Has this whole episode provided a blueprint and encouragement for others to go on a similar terror rampage? Or will the relatively swift death and apprehension of the 2 bombers deter others from trying something similar? Will the use of CCTV increase in the US? Seems to me that suicide bombers wouldn't care since the act is the be all and end all.

To be quite honest, I am simply amazed that there haven't been more of these incidents in the years since 9/11. Either the US authorities are doing an amazing job behind the scenes to stop stuff from happening or the enemies of the US are completely incompetent. Maybe a blend of both is true.
Or there really aren't as many people out to get you as the mass media would have you believe
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Old Apr 22nd 2013, 5:13 pm
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The greater availability of more advanced equipment, treatment options and drugs in better and more common world class facilities per capita.

That is subjective - where are the figures?
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But do we chant 'Engerland' after a terrorist incident?
No - but the 'Engerlund' chant has never made the leap in tradition from being a sports chant to one used at patriotic ceremonies. It probably never will due to it's association (imagined or otherwise) with the darker elements of English nationalism / racism / islamopobia.

The USA chant does have a history of being used at both patriotic ceremonies and in the aftermath of terrorist events - e.g by the rescue teams at the ground zero when Bush JR turned up. It's therefore not self evidently inappropriate to use it. Of course - if it's a bunch of drunken frat boys celebrating the death of Osama Bin Ladin then that is pretty vulgar - but then it's more the context than the chant itself.
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No - but the 'Engerlund' chant has never made the leap in tradition from being a sports chant to one used at patriotic ceremonies.
Mostly because England isn't the name of the country in which I live
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Mostly because England isn't the name of the country in which I live
Yeah ok - that might be a better reason

A bit of patriotism after a terrorist attack isn't a bad thing IMO - I still remember the legend that was John Smeaton

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So the surviving bomber is charged as a criminal suspect, not as an "enemy combatant." Good choice. Be seen to do it right. He won't be free again ever anyway, and I expect they will find a way to execute him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22257451
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So the surviving bomber is charged as a criminal suspect, not as an "enemy combatant." Good choice. Be seen to do it right. He won't be free again ever anyway, and I expect they will find a way to execute him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22257451
I like that. Presumably he'd be charged with murder and sentenced accordingly.

Nicely done though, America did it right this time. A USA-USA chant would be appropriate now ...
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I like that. Presumably he'd be charged with murder and sentenced accordingly.

Nicely done though, America did it right this time. A USA-USA chant would be appropriate now ...
A military tribunal was out of the question. "The surviving suspect in last week's Boston Marathon bombings, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, "will not be treated as an enemy combatant" but rather will be prosecuted "through our civilian system of justice," White House spokesman Jay Carney said today. "Under U.S. law, United States citizens cannot be tried in military commissions," he said."

"Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been charged in federal court with use of a weapon of mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death.

The statutory charges authorize a penalty, upon conviction, of death or imprisonment for life or any term of years, according to a statement from the Department of Justice.
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And so it begins:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...y.html?hpid=z3

it really would be unfortunate if the Boston Bombings killed immigration reform.
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use of a weapon of mass destruction
Was it a chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear agent? No.
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