2 large explosions at Boston Marathon
#496

Don't get the problem with the 'U-S-A chant' - it's no worse than chanting 'En-ger-Lund, En-ger-lund, En-ger-lund'. It's much better than than the U.S national anthem which no-one can sing and which was ripped off from a British drinking song. If you want an example of a nasty chant/anthem look no further than La Marseillaise with the 'blood of the impure' irrigating the fields and what-not.

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So what will the fallout be?
Has this whole episode provided a blueprint and encouragement for others to go on a similar terror rampage? Or will the relatively swift death and apprehension of the 2 bombers deter others from trying something similar? Will the use of CCTV increase in the US? Seems to me that suicide bombers wouldn't care since the act is the be all and end all.
To be quite honest, I am simply amazed that there haven't been more of these incidents in the years since 9/11. Either the US authorities are doing an amazing job behind the scenes to stop stuff from happening or the enemies of the US are completely incompetent. Maybe a blend of both is true.
Has this whole episode provided a blueprint and encouragement for others to go on a similar terror rampage? Or will the relatively swift death and apprehension of the 2 bombers deter others from trying something similar? Will the use of CCTV increase in the US? Seems to me that suicide bombers wouldn't care since the act is the be all and end all.
To be quite honest, I am simply amazed that there haven't been more of these incidents in the years since 9/11. Either the US authorities are doing an amazing job behind the scenes to stop stuff from happening or the enemies of the US are completely incompetent. Maybe a blend of both is true.


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So what will the fallout be?
Has this whole episode provided a blueprint and encouragement for others to go on a similar terror rampage? Or will the relatively swift death and apprehension of the 2 bombers deter others from trying something similar? Will the use of CCTV increase in the US? Seems to me that suicide bombers wouldn't care since the act is the be all and end all.
To be quite honest, I am simply amazed that there haven't been more of these incidents in the years since 9/11. Either the US authorities are doing an amazing job behind the scenes to stop stuff from happening or the enemies of the US are completely incompetent. Maybe a blend of both is true.
Has this whole episode provided a blueprint and encouragement for others to go on a similar terror rampage? Or will the relatively swift death and apprehension of the 2 bombers deter others from trying something similar? Will the use of CCTV increase in the US? Seems to me that suicide bombers wouldn't care since the act is the be all and end all.
To be quite honest, I am simply amazed that there haven't been more of these incidents in the years since 9/11. Either the US authorities are doing an amazing job behind the scenes to stop stuff from happening or the enemies of the US are completely incompetent. Maybe a blend of both is true.

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Don't get the problem with the 'U-S-A chant' - it's no worse than chanting 'En-ger-Lund, En-ger-lund, En-ger-lund'. It's much better than than the U.S national anthem which no-one can sing and which was ripped off from a British drinking song. If you want an example of a nasty chant/anthem look no further than La Marseillaise with the 'blood of the impure' irrigating the fields and what-not.

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So what will the fallout be?
Has this whole episode provided a blueprint and encouragement for others to go on a similar terror rampage? Or will the relatively swift death and apprehension of the 2 bombers deter others from trying something similar? Will the use of CCTV increase in the US? Seems to me that suicide bombers wouldn't care since the act is the be all and end all.
To be quite honest, I am simply amazed that there haven't been more of these incidents in the years since 9/11. Either the US authorities are doing an amazing job behind the scenes to stop stuff from happening or the enemies of the US are completely incompetent. Maybe a blend of both is true.
Has this whole episode provided a blueprint and encouragement for others to go on a similar terror rampage? Or will the relatively swift death and apprehension of the 2 bombers deter others from trying something similar? Will the use of CCTV increase in the US? Seems to me that suicide bombers wouldn't care since the act is the be all and end all.
To be quite honest, I am simply amazed that there haven't been more of these incidents in the years since 9/11. Either the US authorities are doing an amazing job behind the scenes to stop stuff from happening or the enemies of the US are completely incompetent. Maybe a blend of both is true.


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No - but the 'Engerlund' chant has never made the leap in tradition from being a sports chant to one used at patriotic ceremonies. It probably never will due to it's association (imagined or otherwise) with the darker elements of English nationalism / racism / islamopobia.
The USA chant does have a history of being used at both patriotic ceremonies and in the aftermath of terrorist events - e.g by the rescue teams at the ground zero when Bush JR turned up. It's therefore not self evidently inappropriate to use it. Of course - if it's a bunch of drunken frat boys celebrating the death of Osama Bin Ladin then that is pretty vulgar - but then it's more the context than the chant itself.
The USA chant does have a history of being used at both patriotic ceremonies and in the aftermath of terrorist events - e.g by the rescue teams at the ground zero when Bush JR turned up. It's therefore not self evidently inappropriate to use it. Of course - if it's a bunch of drunken frat boys celebrating the death of Osama Bin Ladin then that is pretty vulgar - but then it's more the context than the chant itself.

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A bit of patriotism after a terrorist attack isn't a bad thing IMO - I still remember the legend that was John Smeaton

#506

So the surviving bomber is charged as a criminal suspect, not as an "enemy combatant." Good choice. Be seen to do it right. He won't be free again ever anyway, and I expect they will find a way to execute him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22257451
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22257451

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So the surviving bomber is charged as a criminal suspect, not as an "enemy combatant." Good choice. Be seen to do it right. He won't be free again ever anyway, and I expect they will find a way to execute him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22257451
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22257451
Nicely done though, America did it right this time. A USA-USA chant would be appropriate now ...

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"Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been charged in federal court with use of a weapon of mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death.
The statutory charges authorize a penalty, upon conviction, of death or imprisonment for life or any term of years, according to a statement from the Department of Justice."
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And so it begins:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...y.html?hpid=z3
it really would be unfortunate if the Boston Bombings killed immigration reform.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...y.html?hpid=z3
it really would be unfortunate if the Boston Bombings killed immigration reform.

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use of a weapon of mass destruction
