What's the point of the VWP?
Sep 16th 2006, 7:57 am
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What's the point of the VWP?
I know what the VWP enables people to do BUT my question is, I've been denied a Tourist Visa because I have a girlfriend in the U.S. I AM, however, still able to travel on the VWP.
I have researched that immigration officers dont like you to visit girlfriends incase you do a runner & get married!! So what's the point of the VWP if it doesn't do anything to ensure my return? Surely there are a million reasons why people could run off to America and never come back! why the problem with girlfriends?
Being British and in a country who is allied to America I thought there could be a little leniency, I know my Grandfather did his bit!
Anyone could go missing in America, Anyone!
I have researched that immigration officers dont like you to visit girlfriends incase you do a runner & get married!! So what's the point of the VWP if it doesn't do anything to ensure my return? Surely there are a million reasons why people could run off to America and never come back! why the problem with girlfriends?
Being British and in a country who is allied to America I thought there could be a little leniency, I know my Grandfather did his bit!
Anyone could go missing in America, Anyone!
Sep 16th 2006, 8:27 am
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Re: What's the point of the VWP?
Originally Posted by madeinengland
I know what the VWP enables people to do BUT my question is, I've been denied a Tourist Visa because I have a girlfriend in the U.S. I AM, however, still able to travel on the VWP.
I have researched that immigration officers dont like you to visit girlfriends incase you do a runner & get married!! So what's the point of the VWP if it doesn't do anything to ensure my return? Surely there are a million reasons why people could run off to America and never come back! why the problem with girlfriends?
Being British and in a country who is allied to America I thought there could be a little leniency, I know my Grandfather did his bit!
Anyone could go missing in America, Anyone!
I have researched that immigration officers dont like you to visit girlfriends incase you do a runner & get married!! So what's the point of the VWP if it doesn't do anything to ensure my return? Surely there are a million reasons why people could run off to America and never come back! why the problem with girlfriends?
Being British and in a country who is allied to America I thought there could be a little leniency, I know my Grandfather did his bit!
Anyone could go missing in America, Anyone!
The idea was to save visa application for the longer visit people and to allow for the people coming on vacation for just a few weeks to come in and out easier... Of course you have to remember US citizens don't get 6 weeks vacation every year... A two week vacation is more the norm...
The VW was not designed for you to get Rumpy Pumpy on a regular basis...
Last edited by Ray; Sep 16th 2006 at 8:40 am.
Sep 16th 2006, 8:35 am
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Re: What's the point of the VWP?
Originally Posted by madeinengland
I know what the VWP enables people to do BUT my question is, I've been denied a Tourist Visa because I have a girlfriend in the U.S. I AM, however, still able to travel on the VWP.
I have researched that immigration officers dont like you to visit girlfriends incase you do a runner & get married!! So what's the point of the VWP if it doesn't do anything to ensure my return? Surely there are a million reasons why people could run off to America and never come back! why the problem with girlfriends?
Being British and in a country who is allied to America I thought there could be a little leniency, I know my Grandfather did his bit!
Anyone could go missing in America, Anyone!
I have researched that immigration officers dont like you to visit girlfriends incase you do a runner & get married!! So what's the point of the VWP if it doesn't do anything to ensure my return? Surely there are a million reasons why people could run off to America and never come back! why the problem with girlfriends?
Being British and in a country who is allied to America I thought there could be a little leniency, I know my Grandfather did his bit!
Anyone could go missing in America, Anyone!
Post history--this is a follow up: http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395459
Why the problem with girlfriends? Have you not been paying attention? Girlfriends can become wives very easily, and wives get to move husbands to the front of the line. People without romantic entanglements in the US are less likely to stay than those with.
The VWP is offered to citizens of countries who have not abused their visitor system (much). When enough people do a runner, the privledge will be pulled.
Why don't you start working on solution ideas instead of railing against something you will not change (US immigration policy)?
Sep 16th 2006, 9:32 am
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Re: What's the point of the VWP?
Originally Posted by meauxna
<yawn> Why are the Brits the only ones who make this 'we're your ally, dammit!' argument?
Post history--this is a follow up: http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395459
Why the problem with girlfriends? Have you not been paying attention? Girlfriends can become wives very easily, and wives get to move husbands to the front of the line. People without romantic entanglements in the US are less likely to stay than those with.
The VWP is offered to citizens of countries who have not abused their visitor system (much). When enough people do a runner, the privledge will be pulled.
Why don't you start working on solution ideas instead of railing against something you will not change (US immigration policy)?
Post history--this is a follow up: http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395459
Why the problem with girlfriends? Have you not been paying attention? Girlfriends can become wives very easily, and wives get to move husbands to the front of the line. People without romantic entanglements in the US are less likely to stay than those with.
The VWP is offered to citizens of countries who have not abused their visitor system (much). When enough people do a runner, the privledge will be pulled.
Why don't you start working on solution ideas instead of railing against something you will not change (US immigration policy)?
Maybe, if the OP is still unclear on the points you have raised, this would be a good time to call the 1-800-Information line?
Sep 16th 2006, 9:37 am
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Re: What's the point of the VWP?
Originally Posted by Elvira
Maybe, if the OP is still unclear on the points you have raised, this would be a good time to call the 1-800-Information line?
Sep 16th 2006, 9:41 am
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Re: What's the point of the VWP?
Originally Posted by Ray
Bit difficult if your in the UK .....
Sorry, forgot...
But doesn't the US Consulate have a very useful Helline number??...
Sep 16th 2006, 9:53 am
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Re: What's the point of the VWP?
Originally Posted by Elvira
Sorry, forgot...
But doesn't the US Consulate have a very useful Helline number??...
But doesn't the US Consulate have a very useful Helline number??...
at about 3 pounds a minute .... and I'm not kidding ...
Sep 16th 2006, 9:54 am
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Re: What's the point of the VWP?
Originally Posted by Ray
Of course.. it goes to a little old lady in the Scottish highland
at about 3 pounds a minute .... and I'm not kidding ...
at about 3 pounds a minute .... and I'm not kidding ...
Sep 16th 2006, 9:59 am
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Re: What's the point of the VWP?
meauxna wrote on 09/16/06 13:35:
> <yawn> Why are the Brits the only ones who make this 'we're your ally,
> dammit!' argument?
I also always shake my head about that.
To the OP: this "ally" BS doesn't matter. Before the Brits became US allies,
they were the enemy... Hint: Boston Tea Party and all the stuff that followed...
Laws are the same for everybody. Plain and simple.
> The VWP is offered to citizens of countries who have not abused their
> visitor system (much). When enough people do a runner, the privledge
> will be pulled.
Exactly.
And why would somebody from Western Europe "go running" in the US, work
lowest-level jobs as illegal, when they can make a decent living, legally, in
Europe? It is not that the UK is a Third-World country with high poverty rates...
-Joe
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I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
> <yawn> Why are the Brits the only ones who make this 'we're your ally,
> dammit!' argument?
I also always shake my head about that.
To the OP: this "ally" BS doesn't matter. Before the Brits became US allies,
they were the enemy... Hint: Boston Tea Party and all the stuff that followed...
Laws are the same for everybody. Plain and simple.
> The VWP is offered to citizens of countries who have not abused their
> visitor system (much). When enough people do a runner, the privledge
> will be pulled.
Exactly.
And why would somebody from Western Europe "go running" in the US, work
lowest-level jobs as illegal, when they can make a decent living, legally, in
Europe? It is not that the UK is a Third-World country with high poverty rates...
-Joe
--
I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
Sep 16th 2006, 10:03 am
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Re: What's the point of the VWP?
Originally Posted by Elvira
But why didn't you let him find this out himself?
Sep 16th 2006, 9:41 pm
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Re: What's the point of the VWP?
Originally Posted by Ray
The VW was introduced to slow down the massive increase in traffic at US Consulates worldwide after a huge increase in tourism..
The idea was to save visa application for the longer visit people and to allow for the people coming on vacation for just a few weeks to come in and out easier... Of course you have to remember US citizens don't get 6 weeks vacation every year... A two week vacation is more the norm...
The VW was not designed for you to get Rumpy Pumpy on a regular basis...
The idea was to save visa application for the longer visit people and to allow for the people coming on vacation for just a few weeks to come in and out easier... Of course you have to remember US citizens don't get 6 weeks vacation every year... A two week vacation is more the norm...
The VW was not designed for you to get Rumpy Pumpy on a regular basis...
Sep 16th 2006, 9:43 pm
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Re: What's the point of the VWP?
Originally Posted by Ray
I think he only has the one degree......
Sep 16th 2006, 9:48 pm
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Re: What's the point of the VWP?
Originally Posted by meauxna
<yawn> Why are the Brits the only ones who make this 'we're your ally, dammit!' argument?
Post history--this is a follow up: http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395459
Why the problem with girlfriends? Have you not been paying attention? Girlfriends can become wives very easily, and wives get to move husbands to the front of the line. People without romantic entanglements in the US are less likely to stay than those with.
The VWP is offered to citizens of countries who have not abused their visitor system (much). When enough people do a runner, the privledge will be pulled.
Why don't you start working on solution ideas instead of railing against something you will not change (US immigration policy)?
Post history--this is a follow up: http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395459
Why the problem with girlfriends? Have you not been paying attention? Girlfriends can become wives very easily, and wives get to move husbands to the front of the line. People without romantic entanglements in the US are less likely to stay than those with.
The VWP is offered to citizens of countries who have not abused their visitor system (much). When enough people do a runner, the privledge will be pulled.
Why don't you start working on solution ideas instead of railing against something you will not change (US immigration policy)?
Sep 16th 2006, 9:52 pm
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Re: What's the point of the VWP?
Originally Posted by madeinengland
I know what the VWP enables people to do BUT my question is, I've been denied a Tourist Visa because I have a girlfriend in the U.S. I AM, however, still able to travel on the VWP.
I have researched that immigration officers dont like you to visit girlfriends incase you do a runner & get married!! So what's the point of the VWP if it doesn't do anything to ensure my return? Surely there are a million reasons why people could run off to America and never come back! why the problem with girlfriends?
Being British and in a country who is allied to America I thought there could be a little leniency, I know my Grandfather did his bit!
Anyone could go missing in America, Anyone!
I have researched that immigration officers dont like you to visit girlfriends incase you do a runner & get married!! So what's the point of the VWP if it doesn't do anything to ensure my return? Surely there are a million reasons why people could run off to America and never come back! why the problem with girlfriends?
Being British and in a country who is allied to America I thought there could be a little leniency, I know my Grandfather did his bit!
Anyone could go missing in America, Anyone!
Is she a yank? My blokey is in the US, he's a Brit. I have no problems, other than them questioning why the hell I am allowed to have 4 weeks or 5 weeks holidays cos that's WAAAAYYYY too long (and I quote the lovely immigration official on that).
Sep 16th 2006, 10:02 pm
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Re: What's the point of the VWP?
Originally Posted by Joe Feise
Exactly.
And why would somebody from Western Europe "go running" in the US, work
lowest-level jobs as illegal, when they can make a decent living, legally, in
Europe? It is not that the UK is a Third-World country with high poverty rates...
-Joe
--
I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
Your point exactly Joe, why would I throw all that i have now away for a life of worry & misery hoping i dont get found in the U.S. lol.
