Visa Waiver - how often and for how long?
I have read some of the posts on this forum saying that a general rule when using the Visa Waiver is that you should wait 3 months before going back to the U.S. on it again.
Is this always the case? I am currently in the U.S. and have a return ticket back home for late october. I would love to go here late December to spend Christmas and New Years Eve with my boyfriend but if there really is a "3 month rule" that would not be possible. When I go home at the end of October I will have spent approximately 180 days in the U.S. this year. I went here late January and back to Europe mid April. Made a one month trip in June/July and have now been back in the U.S. since Late August. If I go to the U.S. and get sent back will I then have to get a visa next time? I suspect I am beginning to push my luck even though I have not had a problem so far. Thanks for any advice on the situation. //SweHurricane |
Re: Visa Waiver - how often and for how long?
Originally Posted by SweHurricane
I have read some of the posts on this forum saying that a general rule when using the Visa Waiver is that you should wait 3 months before going back to the U.S. on it again.
Is this always the case? I am currently in the U.S. and have a return ticket back home for late october. I would love to go here late December to spend Christmas and New Years Eve with my boyfriend but if there really is a "3 month rule" that would not be possible. When I go home at the end of October I will have spent approximately 180 days in the U.S. this year. I went here late January and back to Europe mid April. Made a one month trip in June/July and have now been back in the U.S. since Late August. If I go to the U.S. and get sent back will I then have to get a visa next time? I suspect I am beginning to push my luck even though I have not had a problem so far. Thanks for any advice on the situation. //SweHurricane There is no per se "rule" on the issue. Its up the inspecting officer. |
Re: Visa Waiver - how often and for how long?
Originally Posted by SweHurricane
If I go to the U.S. and get sent back will I then have to get a visa next time? I suspect I am beginning to push my luck even though I have not had a problem so far.
As for needing a visa if your turned back, it depends on what they do. Whatever you do, don't overstay on the VWP because then you really will need a visa for future visits. Could consider flying via Dublin as they have clearance there, so if you do get rejected it won't be as long a flight back, but then on the other hand, some people say because of that, they tend to be a little more strict about it....might be worth googling and see what people's experiences have been. |
Re: Visa Waiver - how often and for how long?
Originally Posted by SweHurricane
I have read some of the posts on this forum saying that a general rule when using the Visa Waiver is that you should wait 3 months before going back to the U.S. on it again.
Is this always the case? I am currently in the U.S. and have a return ticket back home for late october. I would love to go here late December to spend Christmas and New Years Eve with my boyfriend but if there really is a "3 month rule" that would not be possible. When I go home at the end of October I will have spent approximately 180 days in the U.S. this year. I went here late January and back to Europe mid April. Made a one month trip in June/July and have now been back in the U.S. since Late August. If I go to the U.S. and get sent back will I then have to get a visa next time? I suspect I am beginning to push my luck even though I have not had a problem so far. Thanks for any advice on the situation. //SweHurricane |
Re: Visa Waiver - how often and for how long?
Originally Posted by Elvira
What proof of ties to the UK, i.e. stuff that would suggest that you are planning to return, would you be able to show if asked at the POE?
I have a job but it is an hour-by-hour employment which means I can choose to work or not to work whichever suits me at the moment. I rent a house, unfortunately I rent it from my mother so I am not sure that is a good or a bad thing. I have a debt to pay off at home due to my university education, not sure if that is good or bad either. I have money to cover my expenses, both for paying bills at home and money to cover my visit. I can show that I can take care of myself and I have never overstayed my visit. (I assume they can see that in their computer systems.) I do not have any intent of either getting married, working illegally or overstaying my visit. All I want is to spend time with my boyfriend to figure out if this relationship will work or not but I know the burden of proof is on me. Is there anything else which might help me show my intentions? |
Re: Visa Waiver - how often and for how long?
Originally Posted by SweHurricane
I have a job but it is an hour-by-hour employment which means I can choose to work or not to work whichever suits me at the moment. I rent a house, unfortunately I rent it from my mother so I am not sure that is a good or a bad thing. I have a debt to pay off at home due to my university education, not sure if that is good or bad either. I have money to cover my expenses, both for paying bills at home and money to cover my visit. I can show that I can take care of myself and I have never overstayed my visit. (I assume they can see that in their computer systems.)
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Re: Visa Waiver - how often and for how long?
Safest bet would be to get him to make the next few visits, otherwise it is pot luck.
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Re: Visa Waiver - how often and for how long?
I heard of this 'rule of thumb' before, but it all depends on the POE
officer, time of day, season, and whatelse not. In my case, I had 3 visits on the VWP after each other. The first was in November for one and a half week. I returned in January (2 months later) for a visit of amost 3 months and got some serious questions by the POE officer. (Do you have job? Do you have a home? Can you afford such a long vacation? Does your work allow you 3 months off?, etc). I went through ok, but it was still a bit concerning. I left in April, and returned one month later for another stay of 3 months expecting some serious grilling and questioning by the POE officer. This time the guy hardly looked at my passport, asked me the purpose of my visit and how long I intended to stay, and then he stamped my passport for the maximum allowable VWP period. The only thing I can think off is that on the May flight, I arrived on a typical 'tourist' flight in the routist season while the January flight would be more 'off season' and was more bussiness travelers. Mileage will vary. A lot. |
Re: Visa Waiver - how often and for how long?
Another 'rule of thumb' I heard: When the POE officer thinks/judges you
are 'abusing the VWP program', they will issue you a warning, but generally allow you into the country unless you fail to show strong ties to your home country. Next time being 'early' at the border on a VWP, your name will show up in blinking red (or whatever they use on their terminals) and your chances are slim to zilch. |
Re: Visa Waiver - how often and for how long?
Originally Posted by Martijn
The only thing I can think off is that on the May flight, I arrived on a typical 'tourist' flight in the routist season while the January flight would be more 'off season' and was more bussiness travelers. Mileage will vary. A lot. As a tangent story which I have posted beofre [but worth repeating] -- I used to travel to Korea a lot. I once returned from a January trip. I was standing by the luggage carousel waiting for my bags wearing a down parka which I never wear in LA - its way too warm. A roaming Customs officer approaches me. Customs: "Good morning" Me: "Good morning" Customs: "Where did you just fly in from?" Me: "Seoul." Customs: "How long were you gone?" Me: "Four days." Customs: "Business or pleasure?" Me with an incredulous look: "You are kidding, I hope." Customs with sheepish look: "I see your point. Welcome home." |
Re: Visa Waiver - how often and for how long?
Originally Posted by Martijn
I heard of this 'rule of thumb' before, but it all depends on the POE
officer, time of day, season, and whatelse not. In my case, I had 3 visits on the VWP after each other. The first was in November for one and a half week. I returned in January (2 months later) for a visit of amost 3 months and got some serious questions by the POE officer. (Do you have job? Do you have a home? Can you afford such a long vacation? Does your work allow you 3 months off?, etc). I went through ok, but it was still a bit concerning. I left in April, and returned one month later for another stay of 3 months expecting some serious grilling and questioning by the POE officer. This time the guy hardly looked at my passport, asked me the purpose of my visit and how long I intended to stay, and then he stamped my passport for the maximum allowable VWP period. The only thing I can think off is that on the May flight, I arrived on a typical 'tourist' flight in the routist season while the January flight would be more 'off season' and was more bussiness travelers. Mileage will vary. A lot. Have you tried to return to the U.S. after your second 3 months? I wonder if they are more suspicious after one has been in the States for almost 6 months during a year. I know I am closing in on having been here for half a year and I would assume that is not a good sign to them. |
Re: Visa Waiver - how often and for how long?
Originally Posted by SweHurricane
Have you tried to return to the U.S. after your second 3 months? I wonder if they are more suspicious after one has been in the States for almost 6 months during a year. I know I am closing in on having been here for half a year and I would assume that is not a good sign to them. A tourist visa/VWP is pretty much for holiday use, and for a country where a lot of people are lucky to get 10 days a year, that much holiday time is quite suspicious. |
Re: Visa Waiver - how often and for how long?
Originally Posted by Folinskyinla
Hi:
As a tangent story which I have posted beofre [but worth repeating] -- I used to travel to Korea a lot. I once returned from a January trip. I was standing by the luggage carousel waiting for my bags wearing a down parka which I never wear in LA - its way too warm. A roaming Customs officer approaches me. Customs: "Good morning" Me: "Good morning" Customs: "Where did you just fly in from?" Me: "Seoul." Customs: "How long were you gone?" Me: "Four days." Customs: "Business or pleasure?" Me with an incredulous look: "You are kidding, I hope." Customs with sheepish look: "I see your point. Welcome home." |
Re: Visa Waiver - how often and for how long?
Originally Posted by Kate2112
Dont try this approach as a GC holder.
I think customs officers have to be US citizens. But I'm not sure -- I really have no idea if this Hispanic gentleman was a US citizen or not. |
Re: Visa Waiver - how often and for how long?
Originally Posted by Folinskyinla
Hi:
I think customs officers have to be US citizens. But I'm not sure -- I really have no idea if this Hispanic gentleman was a US citizen or not. Unless you had contraband on you of course and that might have issues with your status, I have never had any delays with Customs nor heard of anyone legit having a hard time. I did get sniffed by a Beagle once, I was using a bag I normally use for sports hear and no doubt it had an odor. |
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