maggot50

I got to ask given the events in Boston..... The individuals responsible were from a poor ex-Russian state.

Given it is repeatedly said how difficult it is to immigrate into the US a lot circa. 1 million do get in each year.

These perpeteprators were legal immigrants from a poor country. If its so hard how did these people get in and that to post 9/11?

Jerseygirl

They had refugee status...as I said in the other thread.

Trixie_b

It seems that one (the younger one) had become a citizen.

Jerseygirl

Thought it was the eldest who had become a USC on the anniversary of 9/11...the younger having a GC.

Nutmegger

That was what I heard originally, but now most are saying this, as in the NY Times: A government official confirmed that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev became a naturalized American citizen on Sept. 11, 2012, and Tamerlan Tsarnaev had a green card.

Jerseygirl

Yes they do seem to have changed their minds now.

maggot50

Well clearly rather than attacking the immigration system generally something needs to be looked at the refugee process.

How can someone from these places so easily claim refugee status?? How do the y get into the country in the first place to claim refugee status????

If the system is so strict I wouldnt expect people like these to get into the country so easily.

Trixie_b

from what I know of the UK system to apply for asylum, the country you come from must be on "the list" which changes depending on where the latest civil war has broken out, and you need to establish that your life is in danger by staying in that country.

Giantaxe

People like what? From everything I've read the younger brother, at least, was perceived as a pretty "normal" friendly guy. We have no idea at this point what the motivations of these two were or when and why these motivations came about.

robin1234

You mean.. The alleged perpetrators? I don't mean to be argumentative, but couldn't we at least pay lip service to due process, innocent until proved guilty, etc.? Wait until the FBI have investigated?

Michael

I agree. I suspect this is just another copy cat act (not political) to out do that last mass killings but these happen to have been born some place other than the US.

RICH

Hopefully the immigration process is only using past actions/behavior, to determine which people to let in. I don't think the Thought Police are involved at this stage.

Pulaski

Well the older brother spent six months in Russia, or at least "beyond Moscow", last year. I bet that when more comes out about what he was doing there, many of our questions will be answered.

Contrary to what Michael said, quoted above, I suspected this is another warped quasi-muslim, anti-west attack fueled by what ever the older brother was doing in Russia (or beyond). The younger brother may have been a dupe, but I'm going to guess that the older brother was not well integrated to society in the US (sounds like he arrived at age 14, so not too surprising), after all, who can afford to just take off for a six month trip to Russia? Obviously he didn't have a career job.

Michael

I agree but that will probably be the excuse used to kill a bunch of people for fun. Apparently the older brother was questioned by the FBI a year or two ago about his extremist views so he probably got mad by killing and maiming a bunch of people.

You can't get into the heads of nut jobs.

maggot50

Well now he's been caught lets see what he says if anything!

With a million people legally immigrating to the US every year I still believe this is an open country. The criteria are clear. Maybe this case will raise issues over how refugees can come here ?so easily from countries that share no borders with the US.

If you want a tough country to immigrate into try North Korea!!