Too late for Citizenship?
#16
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Re: Too late for Citizenship?
They would know where you are resident based on your AR-11 filing every time you move:
https://www.uscis.gov/ar-11
Assuming you are filling based on 5 years as a resident they look at 5 years residential addresses and 5 years work history.
I had to list all travel outside the US for 5 years, at the interview they ask you about additional travel since you submitted the N-400 and then they ask again at the ceremony. But unless you are at the boundary or take a trip longer than 6 months I am not sure they can deny you for travel. But moving outside the US and abandoning your PR would be an issue.
One option is to file for a re-entry permit which can be valid for up to 2 years. The only problem is if you are out of the country 6 months, it can create dout if you wish to renew green card or file for citizenship.The timetables are fairly specific for citizenship- have you been out of the country more than 50% of time last 5 years, how many stays more than six months etc. are typical issues to consider.
Also do not file a tax return as a non resident.
#17
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Re: Too late for Citizenship?
To get a re entry permit you need to do biometrics in the US, and that is more an issue related to maintaining permanent residency.
#19
Re: Too late for Citizenship?
Funny I have never known anyone to file the AR11 you refer to.
One option is to file for a re-entry permit which can be valid for up to 2 years. The only problem is if you are out of the country 6 months, it can create dout if you wish to renew green card or file for citizenship.The timetables are fairly specific for citizenship- have you been out of the country more than 50% of time last 5 years, how many stays more than six months etc. are typical issues to consider.
Also do not file a tax return as a non resident.
One option is to file for a re-entry permit which can be valid for up to 2 years. The only problem is if you are out of the country 6 months, it can create dout if you wish to renew green card or file for citizenship.The timetables are fairly specific for citizenship- have you been out of the country more than 50% of time last 5 years, how many stays more than six months etc. are typical issues to consider.
Also do not file a tax return as a non resident.
Also she is married to a USC. The five year rule does not pertain to her ... rather it is the 3 year rule for naturalization eligibility.
#20
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Re: Too late for Citizenship?
Filing of an AR11 has been in existence since I've been a member of the immigration group in 1998. There is also an I-865 that the financial sponsor must complete when they change address in regards to the beneficiary of the change of status and/or IR/CR-1 visa, if the beneficiary has not become a USC, or worked for 40 quarters under SS, etc.
Also she is married to a USC. The five year rule does not pertain to her ... rather it is the 3 year rule for naturalization eligibility.
Also she is married to a USC. The five year rule does not pertain to her ... rather it is the 3 year rule for naturalization eligibility.
A far as the 5 years and the green card, i know someone going through this right now- left country on 2 year re-entry visa, married to USC, but returning to states told ( by three different attorneys​)​​​​​ that since out of country more than 50% of time last 5 years (person had travelled before re entry visa too) that would have to wait at least 4 years after returning to apply for naturalization. If OP going to UK for loger term residence thought it might be pertinent.
#21
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Re: Too late for Citizenship?
That is not actually the case. The OP said she had been a PR for 7 years, so she would have had the option to file under the 3 year or 5 year option. I had been a PR for about 7 years, and married to a USC for about 4.5 years when I filed my N400, and my lawyers advise was to file based on 5 years as a PR not 3 years married to a USC. The 3 year option is only for PR’s married to a USC for 3 years, but the 5 year option is for anyone who meets that requirement.
#22
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Re: Too late for Citizenship?
Thank you everyone. I plan to return to the US and apply for citizenship, have the initial interview and leave for a few months. My biggest concern is by the time the citizenship interview comes around my husband will be a UK resident, will this affect my chances of getting citizenship? Would they even know? Also, could they possibly know that I am back enrolled with with HRMC and have a small business set up in the UK and am no longer really a resident in the US? It's possible I could even close my business down here until I get the citizenship.
#23
Re: Too late for Citizenship?
I really think you need to be careful here. They will ask when you go to take the oath if you have been out of the country at all since the interview, and they will ask if you have been out of the country since the application at the interview.
You also need to be resident in the area that you are living in for 3 months before the application.
You are aware it's possible it'll be 12 months between application and interview right? And that you will have a biometrics appointment a few weeks after the application is received? I think mine was about 3 weeks after.
You also need to be resident in the area that you are living in for 3 months before the application.
You are aware it's possible it'll be 12 months between application and interview right? And that you will have a biometrics appointment a few weeks after the application is received? I think mine was about 3 weeks after.
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Re: Too late for Citizenship?
My plan was to go back for a couple of months and have the biometrics taken in that time and then leave and come back before the oath and stay until that has been completed.
However, I did not know I had to be a resident at that address for 3 months prior. My green card is registered at that address but I lived in another state prior to leaving for the UK, and I have been in the UK since. Guess that doesn't look too good.
What would some other options be? Should I just give up my residency there and restart the application if we decide to ever move back? Maybe i've just missed the boat on this.
However, I did not know I had to be a resident at that address for 3 months prior. My green card is registered at that address but I lived in another state prior to leaving for the UK, and I have been in the UK since. Guess that doesn't look too good.
What would some other options be? Should I just give up my residency there and restart the application if we decide to ever move back? Maybe i've just missed the boat on this.
#25
Re: Too late for Citizenship?
On another forum a user was asking if they could move to Canada whilst waiting on citizenship and everyone said no, the fact you've already moved would suggest to me you are already too late to apply. I don't think this is the kind of thing you want grey areas in as although they might give you citizenship they can always take it away if you give them any excuse.
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Re: Too late for Citizenship?
For other readers this is an example of why, when one partner is a US citizen, it is advisable for the other to seek US citizenship as soon as possible.
#27
Re: Too late for Citizenship?
OP, you are wanting information that I honestly think is beyond the knowledge on this forum. We used to have a great poster who knew the law but he is sadly no longer wasting his life here!
I have knowledge of various people that had possible issues or that actually did live out of the country between application and interview and were perfectly up-front about it. In their case, they said that there was a compelling reason to be out of the country (Job move for USC spouse) and the oath ceremony was arranged specifically so that the new USC would not have to fly back for it - it was 2 days after the interview. I would imagine that presenting documents proving your mother's ill health might need to be provided but then I am no lawyer. As Rete said, right at the beginning of this thread, a consultation with a good immigration lawyer could be money well spent for a definitive answer.
Also, here in Texas, I am hearing that the timeline for naturalization is now 4-6 months! Although our lawyer said 8-12 months. Election time coming up, I think?
I have knowledge of various people that had possible issues or that actually did live out of the country between application and interview and were perfectly up-front about it. In their case, they said that there was a compelling reason to be out of the country (Job move for USC spouse) and the oath ceremony was arranged specifically so that the new USC would not have to fly back for it - it was 2 days after the interview. I would imagine that presenting documents proving your mother's ill health might need to be provided but then I am no lawyer. As Rete said, right at the beginning of this thread, a consultation with a good immigration lawyer could be money well spent for a definitive answer.
Also, here in Texas, I am hearing that the timeline for naturalization is now 4-6 months! Although our lawyer said 8-12 months. Election time coming up, I think?
#28
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Re: Too late for Citizenship?
The N400 guide on the USCIS web site is pretty good.