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Zez Dec 15th 2014 11:23 pm

Secondary query re my dad... Accused of overstay
 
My father arrived here on thursday. He was sent to secondary, having been told he had overstayed his visa some 20 years ago in a place he has no recollection of visiting. He did visit the US in the year in question, but only for 2 weeks, with the appropriate visa or visa waiver (whatever was the rules back then). He did not overstay. He may have changed planes in the city in question but can't recall. He was eventually let in but had no explanation of what had happened or reassurance that it wouldn't happen again. He was too tired and jet lagged to ask the right questions at the time. Understandably he is rather worried that this wil come back to haunt him. Any idea where we can call to ask someone and get some much neede reassurance?

Noorah101 Dec 16th 2014 12:29 am

Re: Secondary query re my dad... Accused of overstay
 
I'm not sure what it is you want to know or find out. The only person who would know these details would be your dad.

Rene

ian-mstm Dec 16th 2014 12:30 am

Re: Secondary query re my dad... Accused of overstay
 

Originally Posted by Zez (Post 11503560)
He did visit the US in the year in question, but only for 2 weeks, with the appropriate visa or visa waiver (whatever was the rules back then). He did not overstay.

Most likely, he did not turn in his I-94 when he left the US and so the US has no record of him having left. The assumption, therefore, is that he overstayed.



Understandably he is rather worried that this wil come back to haunt him.
Alas, the onus is always on the traveler to demonstrate compliance. He will likely repeat this scenario each time he visits the US.



Any idea where we can call to ask someone and get some much neede reassurance?
Hopefully others will have a suggestion... because I have none.

Ian

Pulaski Dec 16th 2014 2:10 am

Re: Secondary query re my dad... Accused of overstay
 
Given that they allowed him in, and assuming that the situation and his responses were documented in his CBP records, then it may never happen again. After 20 years I assume that very little if any evidence that he was living and working in the UK during the alleged overstay now exists.

Based on my own experience the change of planes may be significant. I boarded a domestic flight to Newark and my I-94 was not removed at check-in. I did not have to re-check-in at Newark, so my I-94 was left in my passport.

sir_eccles Dec 16th 2014 2:38 am

Re: Secondary query re my dad... Accused of overstay
 
DHS TRIP?

Pulaski Dec 16th 2014 3:14 am

Re: Secondary query re my dad... Accused of overstay
 
That's the nastiest case of boileritis I've seen so far this week. :lol:

sir_eccles Dec 16th 2014 3:27 am

Re: Secondary query re my dad... Accused of overstay
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11503717)
That's the nastiest case of boileritis I've seen so far this week. :lol:

Is there a cream for that?

Department of Homeland Security Traveler Redress Inquiry Program, about the only chance you have of sending in a letter saying what you think happened 20 years ago. But don't expect a response beyond, ok we looked at it.

Michael Dec 16th 2014 7:40 am

Re: Secondary query re my dad... Accused of overstay
 
If he knows the year and can acquire documentation that he was working in the UK during that year, that may help to show that it was a likely a failure to turn in the I-94 if he is sent to secondary again.

johnnybrown532 Dec 16th 2014 8:46 am

Re: Secondary query re my dad... Accused of overstay
 
It sounds like he was fortunate to get in. Trevor McDonald did one of his tonight shows about brits having problems U.S immigration after 9/11. It always stuck in my mind. Done before 06 before my daughter went over there. One guy McDonald tracked down lost his passport in the late 90s returned around 2003/04 and accused of overstaying by several years due to the lost passport which would have been reported to the British Embassy and an emergency one issued and there was no record of him leaving after that trip. He was deported and banned for 10 years from returning.

Pulaski Dec 16th 2014 10:03 am

Re: Secondary query re my dad... Accused of overstay
 

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 11503720)
Is there a cream for that? .....

It is generally considered to be untreatable. :unsure:

S Folinsky Dec 16th 2014 5:09 pm

Re: Secondary query re my dad... Accused of overstay
 
There were major changes in the Immigration & Nationality Act enacted on September 30, 1996. Most of the provisions did not take effect until April 1, 1997.

Also, it was not until after "9-11" that the minions of the Dark Forces finally got their tracking databases somewhat together.

The conclusions will be left as an exercise for the student.

rpjs Dec 16th 2014 5:28 pm

Re: Secondary query re my dad... Accused of overstay
 

Originally Posted by S Folinsky (Post 11504470)
Also, it was not until after "9-11" that the minions of the Dark Forces finally got their tracking databases somewhat together.

My wife worked in the early 00s signing J visa applications for a couple of the big student summer camp etc placement companies. That involved occasional visits the the US Embassy, and at one she was told that something like 95% of the I-94/I-94W departure records had been stashed away in a US government warehouse[1] somewhere, and only 5% or so were actually checked as a control. Of course these days it's all done electronically.

[1] I did ask her to ask next time if it was the same warehouse where the Ark of the Covenant is kept, but she wouldn't.

Pulaski Dec 16th 2014 5:33 pm

Re: Secondary query re my dad... Accused of overstay
 

Originally Posted by rpjs (Post 11504499)
..... she was told that something like 95% of the I-94/I-94W departure records had been stashed away in a US government warehouse[1] somewhere, and only the 5% of so were actually checked as a control. Of course these days it's all done electronically.

[1] I did ask her to ask next time if it was the same warehouse where the Ark of the Covenant is kept, but she wouldn't.

They're with the Roswell alien bodies and the gun that killed JFK. :nod:

S Folinsky Dec 16th 2014 5:42 pm

Re: Secondary query re my dad... Accused of overstay
 

Originally Posted by rpjs (Post 11504499)
My wife worked in the early 00s signing J visa applications for a couple of the big student summer camp etc placement companies. That involved occasional visits the the US Embassy, and at one she was told that something like 95% of the I-94/I-94W departure records had been stashed away in a US government warehouse[1] somewhere, and only 5% or so were actually checked as a control. Of course these days it's all done electronically.

[1] I did ask her to ask next time if it was the same warehouse where the Ark of the Covenant is kept, but she wouldn't.

Back in the 1990's, the local district office discovered a file cabinet full of unadjudicated I-539 extension applications, most several years old. Figuring that if the applicant had really cared they would have done some followup and that none of them could be approved due to staleness, it was decided to shred them.

johnnybrown532 Dec 16th 2014 7:15 pm

Re: Secondary query re my dad... Accused of overstay
 

Originally Posted by S Folinsky (Post 11504470)
There were major changes in the Immigration & Nationality Act enacted on September 30, 1996. Most of the provisions did not take effect until April 1, 1997.

Also, it was not until after "9-11" that the minions of the Dark Forces finally got their tracking databases somewhat together.

The conclusions will be left as an exercise for the student.

Why do you call them "the minions of the Dark Forces"? I notice you use that phrase quite a lot. :sneaky: Are you like an anti government guy or something?


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