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Old Nov 17th 2020, 8:50 pm
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Originally Posted by karenkaren1
uh ohhh. I will keep you posted. She's due here wed.
Something else to consider - she may end up being in the US long enough to count as subject to US taxes under the substantial presence test for calendar year 2020. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/inte...-presence-test

Not sure if the OP (Dublo) is still reading this thread, but he or she will definitely be subject to US taxes for 2020.
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Old Nov 17th 2020, 11:01 pm
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Satisfactory Departure

Pursuant to Title 8 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Section 217.3(a), if an emergency prevents an alien admitted under the VWP from departing the United States within the period of authorized stay, a period of Satisfactory Departure may be granted not to exceed 30 days – provided that the request is made during the period of admission and the alien is still in status at the time of the request. If departure is made within the period of approved Satisfactory Departure, the alien is regarded as having made a timely departure without overstaying the allowed time. In emergent circumstances, requests for Satisfactory Departure may be granted if the alien is out of status but can prove the intent was to depart timely. Requests for Satisfactory Departure are generally adjudicated by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
I think the “tail risk” here is that on a new VW entry an office takes a different view of the multiple extensions in the context of home ties and intent etc.... if someone has really been “stuck” here it would be strange for them to return again while the situation is getting worse rather than better.... kind of like someone one trying to do multiple back to back 89 day VW trips.... even if something is allowed by the rules it does not mean that’s what happens in practice... but as with all these things I guess it comes down to luck on the day.... at least coming from Mexico reduce the risk of being kept in custody overnight pending the flight home.... my guess is those places are worse than jails for CV19 these days...

The pending E2 would probably not help demonstrate home ties either... if I this approved they would still have to leave for an embassy interview I assume for visa stamping...

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Can not adjust on VWP nor use it to live in the US.
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Originally Posted by karenkaren1
how so? she's coming here legally on an ESTA via 2 wks in Mexico. Does Satisfactory departure make you ineligible for future VWP?
I thought travel to Canada and Mexico did not reset the VWP clock.

The US Consulate website:

"The Visa Waiver Program (VWP) allows a maximum stay of 90 days stay. If you go to Canada, Mexico or the Caribbean, and while you are there your initial 90-day period of entry expires, you may encounter a problem when you need to come back in to the U.S. to fly home. The terms of the VWP are very clear – it is only to be used for occasional, short visits to the U.S. If the U.S. Customs and Border Protection ( CBP) Officer thinks you are trying to “reset” the clock by making a short trip out of the U.S. and re-entering for another 90-day period, you can be denied entry. (If that happens, you will have to obtain a visa for any future travel to the U.S.) In order to be re-admitted to the U.S. shortly after a previous admission expired, you will have to convince a CBP Officer that you are not trying to “game” the system."

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Seems she went home and is coming back via Mexico.
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Old Nov 18th 2020, 3:30 am
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I think the “tail risk” here is that on a new VW entry an office takes a different view of the multiple extensions in the context of home ties and intent etc.... if someone has really been “stuck” here it would be strange for them to return again while the situation is getting worse rather than better.... kind of like someone one trying to do multiple back to back 89 day VW trips.... even if something is allowed by the rules it does not mean that’s what happens in practice... but as with all these things I guess it comes down to luck on the day.... at least coming from Mexico reduce the risk of being kept in custody overnight pending the flight home.... my guess is those places are worse than jails for CV19 these days...

The pending E2 would probably not help demonstrate home ties either... if I this approved they would still have to leave for an embassy interview I assume for visa stamping...
Assuming she makes it past Immigration...she fully intends to return to UK within 90 days or when her embassy appt comes thru, whichever happens first. She has her own business back in UK. She hasn't had much need to be there herself due to Covid19 restrictions affecting the day to day running however she does still have a team of staff, property, car etc and can show ties for sure. She still has a UK income but prefers Floridian warmth over a gloomy cold English lockdown. Cant say I blame her...

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Originally Posted by karenkaren1
Assuming she makes it past Immigration...she fully intends to return to UK within 90 days or when her embassy appt comes thru, whichever happens first. She has her own business back in UK. She hasn't had much need to be there herself due to Covid19 restrictions affecting the day to day running however she does still have a team of staff, property, car etc and can show ties for sure. She still has a UK income but prefers Floridian warmth over a gloomy cold English lockdown. Cant say I blame her...
Well we will know tomorrow, her actions tend to suggest any ties she has are extremely limited.
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Old Nov 18th 2020, 4:05 am
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Well we will know tomorrow, her actions tend to suggest any ties she has are extremely limited.
Wouldn't her legitimate E2 plans make her home ties irrelevant? Im pretty sure the petition accepted already (Im not so clued up on E2 process tho). Albeit it suited her to keep getting satisfactory departures on last visit... she also has proof of her flight bookings getting cancelled left, right and centre. (It was obvious at the time which flights you could still book which would clearly not be flying). I don't see anything she has done or doing being 'legally' wrong, but will soon see.

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Wouldn't her legitimate E2 plans make her home ties irrelevant? Im pretty sure the petition accepted already (Im not so clued up on E2 process tho). Albeit it suited her to keep getting satisfactory departures on last visit... she also has proof of her flight bookings getting cancelled left, right and centre. (It was obvious at the time which flights you could still book which would clearly not be flying). I don't see anything she has done or doing being 'legally' wrong, but will soon see.
I would think it would count against her, not help her as it shows her real intent.

all that aside you have said she has been “ ‘visiting’ “ here for 90 days + 120/150 (4 or 5 extensions) and is now looking to come here for up to 90 more days if she does not have an interview come up.... that means she is planning to be here for between 300 and 330 days in a 1year period.

Even if she is admitted again it could come back to bite her at the E2 interview.... it would not be illogical to think that she may have had to interact with her business at home or done some local prep for her E2 while here... either of which could cross the line of “working” depending on the specifics... some of it may be permissible assuming she did a VW-B entry not a VW-T but it’s pretty limited and a I think they could be skeptical if she has effectively been living here for a year... did she live in a hotel or has she already rented or brought her home here?

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Originally Posted by karenkaren1
Wouldn't her legitimate E2 plans make her home ties irrelevant?

The E-2 is a non-immigrant visa. One is supposed to maintain ties to the home country and return there once the visa expires/is not renewed or the business closes.
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I would think it would count against her, not help her as it shows her real intent.

all that aside you have said she has been “ ‘visiting’ “ here for 90 days + 120/150 (4 or 5 extensions) and is now looking to come here for up to 90 more days if she does not have an interview come up.... that means she is planning to be here for between 300 and 330 days in a 1year period.

Even if she is admitted again it could come back to bite her at the E2 interview.... it would not be illogical to think that she may have had to interact with her business at home or done some local prep for her E2 while here... either of which could cross the line of “working” depending on the specifics... some of it may be permissible assuming she did a VW-B entry not a VW-T but it’s pretty limited and a I think they could be skeptical if she has effectively been living here for a year... did she live in a hotel or has she already rented or brought her home here?

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No problems today. Maybe having global entry helped but didn't even get asked when she was last in UK!
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No problems today. Maybe having global entry helped but didn't even get asked when she was last in UK!
Well unless the process is different that the regular Global Entry you can’t really get asked questions until customs because your are using a machine to answer preset question. GE was only available to GC holders when I first got it back in 2011 (I used to travel a lot so it was a real time saver) but I saw they opened it up a few years ago to visa / VW from a few countries. Hopefully being a us tax resident / having visited” here for nearly a year won’t go against her at her E2 interview. CV19 risks aside I can totally understand not wanting to be in the UK winter.... assuming she has some other reason she wants to be in Miami (like a love interest) because there are plenty of cheaper/warm places to hang in Mexico like the coast south of Cancun...
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Well unless the process is different that the regular Global Entry you can’t really get asked questions until customs because your are using a machine to answer preset question. GE was only available to GC holders when I first got it back in 2011 (I used to travel a lot so it was a real time saver) but I saw they opened it up a few years ago to visa / VW from a few countries. Hopefully being a us tax resident / having visited” here for nearly a year won’t go against her at her E2 interview. CV19 risks aside I can totally understand not wanting to be in the UK winter.... assuming she has some other reason she wants to be in Miami (like a love interest) because there are plenty of cheaper/warm places to hang in Mexico like the coast south of Cancun...
you are smart...and spot on! feel like ive now hijacked the threat from OP but will update after her interview.
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Any news?
hi, yes I updated a few posts back. all fine and used global entry machines. still unsure as to future tax/visa implications tho
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