Renouncing US Citizenship

Old Apr 22nd 2021, 6:02 pm
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Question Renouncing US Citizenship

Hello folks - I normally hang out in the Canada forum but I have a question for our US friends. Has anyone used a lawyer/immigration firm in the UK to renounce US citizenship? Any recommendations? Advice? Warnings?

Don't want to give too many personal details but it relates to someone who was born in US, to a US parent but has never lived or worked in the US (always resident in England). Any comments would be gratefully received. Thanks all
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Hello folks - I normally hang out in the Canada forum but I have a question for our US friends. Has anyone used a lawyer/immigration firm in the UK to renounce US citizenship? Any recommendations? Advice? Warnings?

Don't want to give too many personal details but it relates to someone who was born in US, to a US parent but has never lived or worked in the US (always resident in England). Any comments would be gratefully received. Thanks all
No personal experience, but this seems like a useful list of precautions. In particular, that renunciation is permanent and irrevocable. You don't seem to need a lawyer, and it doesn't appear that it can be done for you. You have to actually speak an oath of renunciation, for example.

https://www.nnuimmigration.com/how-t...20renunciation.
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Don't you have to show you paid your us taxes forever too?
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Hello folks - I normally hang out in the Canada forum but I have a question for our US friends. Has anyone used a lawyer/immigration firm in the UK to renounce US citizenship? Any recommendations? Advice? Warnings?

Don't want to give too many personal details but it relates to someone who was born in US, to a US parent but has never lived or worked in the US (always resident in England). Any comments would be gratefully received. Thanks all
Are they up-to-date with all their US tax returns and FBAR’s? If male did they do their selective servive registration at 18? See section E:

https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...ty-Abroad.html
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Don't you have to show you paid your us taxes forever too?
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Are they up-to-date with all their US tax returns and FBAR’s? If male did they do their selective servive registration at 18? See section E:

https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...ty-Abroad.html

Oof. Maybe they do need a lawyer after all.

With any luck someone will be along with the knowledge.
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Hello folks - I normally hang out in the Canada forum but I have a question for our US friends. Has anyone used a lawyer/immigration firm in the UK to renounce US citizenship? Any recommendations? Advice? Warnings?

Don't want to give too many personal details but it relates to someone who was born in US, to a US parent but has never lived or worked in the US (always resident in England). Any comments would be gratefully received. Thanks all
What’s the motive? Tax compliance?
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Oof. Maybe they do need a lawyer after all.

With any luck someone will be along with the knowledge.
Indeed! 212(a)(10)(E) is no joke - it's a permeant bar to entry, with no available waiver.
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Spoken only from a personal point of view, why renounce US citizenship? I'm assuming your friend has never worked in the US; has never visited the US; has never paid US taxes; does not have a current US passport, if they ever did have one; cannot pass on US citizen to any of their children; and have no desire to be identified as an American.

Assume they have flown under the radar all these years and never proclaimed US citizenship for any reason. Why not just let it be. I'm a German citizen and never declared or used that status for anything. Same boat, isn't it.
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Spoken only from a personal point of view, why renounce US citizenship? I'm assuming your friend has never worked in the US; has never visited the US; has never paid US taxes; does not have a current US passport, if they ever did have one; cannot pass on US citizen to any of their children; and have no desire to be identified as an American.

Assume they have flown under the radar all these years and never proclaimed US citizenship for any reason. Why not just let it be. I'm a German citizen and never declared or used that status for anything. Same boat, isn't it.
It is not quite the same, Germany is less onerous than the US with tax if you are not resident there. Also if you acquired another Citizenship, like US citizenship and did not go through
Beibehaltungsgenehmigung [size=16px]before doing so you will have lost your German citizenship: [/size]https://www.germany.info/us-en/servi...ship/-/2124886

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What’s the motive? Tax compliance?
Yes and also he's finding it a little more difficult to open up investment accounts in the UK. Really crazy!
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Spoken only from a personal point of view, why renounce US citizenship? I'm assuming your friend has never worked in the US; has never visited the US; has never paid US taxes; does not have a current US passport, if they ever did have one; cannot pass on US citizen to any of their children; and have no desire to be identified as an American.

Assume they have flown under the radar all these years and never proclaimed US citizenship for any reason. Why not just let it be. I'm a German citizen and never declared or used that status for anything. Same boat, isn't it.
Thanks Rete - do you have joint German/US citizenship?
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No personal experience, but this seems like a useful list of precautions. In particular, that renunciation is permanent and irrevocable. You don't seem to need a lawyer, and it doesn't appear that it can be done for you. You have to actually speak an oath of renunciation, for example.

https://www.nnuimmigration.com/how-t...20renunciation.
Thanks yes, I had seen that site .... but appreciate you taking the time to respond
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Oof. Maybe they do need a lawyer after all.

With any luck someone will be along with the knowledge.
Thanks! It would be nice to get a recommendation of someone who could advise/assist
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Indeed! 212(a)(10)(E) is no joke - it's a permeant bar to entry, with no available waiver.
It's ridiculously complex and almost undemocratic!
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Yes and also he's finding it a little more difficult to open up investment accounts in the UK. Really crazy!

How do they know that he's a US citizen? Is that something you have to declare upon opening an investment account?

I'm a dual myself, and hope to return to the UK to live after an adult lifetime based in the US, so I know banking and taxes are going to be complicated.
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