[email protected]

Hi Thanks Folks,
I really appreciate all of your comments, you are great.
I am still going to tell the white lie.
I am too afraid of losing it.
If you have any more information, please tell me.

L D Jones

[email protected] wrote:
> Hi Thanks Folks,
> I really appreciate all of your comments, you are great.
> I am still going to tell the white lie.
> I am too afraid of losing it.
> If you have any more information, please tell me.
>

Let us know how that works out

ian-mstm

Good luck with the lie! I really hope you get everything you deserve. But hey... good luck to you!

Ian

Noorah101

Wow. I guess you're not too afraid of losing it in the long run if you're caught in the lie, right?

Good luck,
Rene

Joe Feise

Finalizer wrote on 03/18/07 01:14:

>
> Well, I hope you'd find out the truth someday.
> I'm not a layman in this immigration business but I concede that there are
> times when it's really difficult to convince other people about a
> misconception of the law. Being right does not always mean you'd be agreed
> with.

I rather believe a lawyer than some anonymous poster on Usenet, even if that
anonymous poster claims to be a professional (anybody can claim that)...
http://www.visalaw.com/02nov3/2nov302.html
As I said before, what you were talking about is Expedited Removal, and that
only applies in certain cases, and not in the "normal" B1/B2 case:
"Since April 1, 1997, INS has applied the expedited removal provisions to
individuals who arrive at a United States port-of-entry with invalid entry
documents or who attempt to enter the United States through fraud or
misrepresentation. Expedited removal is also applied to aliens interdicted at
sea and then brought to the United States in government custody. This week, the
INS expanded the expedited removal process to include certain aliens who arrive
in the United States by sea."
--
I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.

Templar

> I should have said I'm not a habitual liar. Like what I said I only
> lie when I have no choice.
>
> Ian, have you lied before? if not you're perfect.
>
>
> On Mar 16, 9:07 am, ian-mstm <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > I know lying is BAD not only to an entry officer but to anyone.
> > > But
> > > there are just some situations it's your only choice. INS
> > > doesn't
> > > have any record how long have you been gone outside the country.
> > > (correct me if I'm wrong). Telling an entry officer that you're
> > > gone
> > > for 2 weeks there's no way that they can verify that.
> >
> > > As many know, being honest to an immigration officer will get you
> > > in
> > > trouble sometimes. I applied one time for a US visa because the
> > > company is sending me for training in the US. I was very honest
> > > but
> > > they still denied me twice on 2 different occassions.
> >
> > > Another situation, when a US company flew me over to the US for a
> > > job
> > > interview, when the immigration officer asked me what would I do
> > > in
> > > the US, I told him I'll just visit somebody. I lied this time and
> > > he
> > > let me in. To my surprise, when he asked me what I'm doing I told
> > > him
> > > that I'm a System Analyst and he recommended me to work in the US.
> > > I
> > > was shocked.
> >
> > > Anyway, just sharing my personal experience. Don't get me wrong
> > > I'M
> > > NOT A LIAR.
> >
> > > Sapphyre wrote:
> > > > On Mar 13, 8:48 pm, Templar <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Can't believe how many try to lie their way through the entry
> > > > > point
> > > > > lately.
> > > > > NO. You cannot lie to the entry officer.
> >
> > > > The supervisor who apologized to me for my harsh treatment at
> > > > Customs
> > > > told me, "we have to use these tactics [of questioning visitors]
> > > > if
> > > > we
> > > > don't like the information you're giving us. I'm sorry it wasn't
> > > > a
> > > > good experience for you, but you have to understand that 40% of
> > > > the
> > > > people we question every day are lying to us, and we don't like
> > > > that."
> > > > He wasn't the only person to have said that to me that day. One
> > > > of
> > > > the
> > > > officers that told me I'd be going to secondary (well, I was
> > > > already
> > > > there, he was just staying with me and my car until they were
> > > > ready
> > > > to
> > > > look at my import), told me that his buddy was using a technique
> > > > to
> > > > try and break me because he didn't feel I was telling the truth.
> >
> > > > The situation, I had a gift import that was above what their
> > > > threshold
> > > > should be, I assumed I'd just be taxed or dutied, but I guess
> > > > they
> > > > don't do that like they do in Canada. They deem that value to be
> > > > commercial, and the type of goods I had is usually deemed to be
> > > > commercial, so they had to check it out. Meanwhile, one of the
> > > > officers is questioning me as if he had a hot temper and trying
> > > > to
> > > > get
> > > > me to admit that it's not a gift/hobby, and that I'm making
> > > > money
> > > > and
> > > > lying about it. When the hot tempered officer took off, I told
> > > > his
> > > > buddy that I was really upset by some of the things this guy
> > > > said
> > > > (telling me it doesn't make sense, telling me I don't need to
> > > > spend
> > > > that much on my hobby, telling me I had too much money when I
> > > > had
> > > > well
> > > > under $1000, which I didn't think would be a problem to carry
> > > > with
> > > > me,
> > > > etc). His buddy obviously believed me, because he told me that
> > > > they're
> > > > used to people lying.
> >
> > > > So given that they tell me that, and they seem to think there's
> > > > often
> > > > little they can do about it (as in, if they don't believe
> > > > someone and
> > > > don't have grounds to do much about it), then they have to let
> > > > it go.
> > > > It's like when they ask if the friend I'm visiting is a
> > > > boyfriend.
> > > > They probably don't believe me when I say no, but unless they
> > > > have
> > > > another way to say I can't visit, they can't do much about it.
> > > > So
> > > > perhaps there isn't as much lying as they think, but people I
> > > > used to
> > > > work with would brag that they always got away with bringing
> > > > back more
> > > > than $200 worth of goods into Canada. So some people seem to
> > > > think
> > > > it's okay. personally, I'd rather just pay the taxes and be
> > > > done with
> > > > it.
> >
> > > > > Here is a link to a relevant discussion. Pay attention to
> > > > > this
> > > > > quote - "First is that the USCIS likely has your departure and
> > > > > entry
> > > > > record on file"
> >
> > > > Airlines provide info to the POE. They're now doing that on
> > > > Greyhound
> > > > buses (not sure about leaving the US, but entering the US, you
> > > > have
> > > > to
> > > > fax your passport info to the POE before you get there, if you
> > > > haven't
> > > > signed the form, they can't let you board the bus.) Trains do
> > > > this
> > > > too.
> >
> > > > S.
> >
> > Yes, you are! You even admitted it before you tried to deny it.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > --
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> >
> > - Show quoted text -

The quickest way to lose a green card is to lie to officers. You could
not only lose your green card for sure but coud get banned for life.
Green card holders are entitled to appeal any officer's decision in
front of an immigration judge, but I would think that your "white lie"
would leave you with virtually no chance of winning your appeal. At any
time they find about your "white lie," they can revoke your green card
at any point in the future (e.g., during future entries, citizenship
application process, renewing green card,etc)

I have a feeling they WILL have your record on officers' screen,
especially because your trip has been recent, and the entry security has
gotten much more thorough in recent years. The altertnative way to go
about is to apply for a returning resident visa at embassy if you can
possibly get one.

--

Joe Feise

Finalizer wrote on 03/18/07 14:39:

> I can read that you are a stubborn person despite of the fact that you know
> you are not really sure about what you are talking about. Some ego are just
> too big to accept humility.


Speaking about yourself, I see.

> Even if I tell you about my law background you wouldn't even have a way of
> verifying it, would you?


That's the way of the Internet.
And a final thing: Your pathetic attempt to intimidate me only shows that you
are an idiot. The kind of cyberstalking you are trying to do here is illegal, by
the way. Clearly, you have no legal background...

And if you think you are anonymous on the Net, you are of course mistaken.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.15.205
All it takes is to subpoena SBC/AT&T to get your identity.

*PLONK!*

Joe Feise

Finalizer wrote on 03/18/07 14:39:

Unlike you, I am
> in this field of business, not just a layman enthusiast but at the forefront
> of its implementation and enforcement.


Oh, and if you really are, I am wondering what the cyberstalking you are doing
would do for your job?
I am sure the LA news stations would be very interested in exposing some CBP
agent abusing his access to government computers to stalk somebody on Usenet.
You are obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer...

Joe Feise

Joe Feise (Immigration) wrote on 03/18/07 15:26:

> Finalizer wrote on 03/18/07 14:39:
>
> Unlike you, I am
>> in this field of business, not just a layman enthusiast but at the forefront
>> of its implementation and enforcement.
>
>
> Oh, and if you really are, I am wondering what the cyberstalking you are doing
> would do for your job?
> I am sure the LA news stations would be very interested in exposing some CBP
> agent abusing his access to government computers to stalk somebody on Usenet.
> You are obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer...


And this is not the only group where you have shown to be a total moron...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.m...99ea2514d488bc
Some particularly juice quotes from that thread:
"One thing most of us already know is that you're dumb as a rock."
"No, I turned Finalizer in to his ISP for forging posts to make it
appear to be from other people, and it seems (since I haven't seen a
Finalizer post since) that his ISP did more than laugh."
"No, I didn't write the above. Finalizer did.
And I'm pretty confident prodigy will pull the plug on him for forging
a usenet post."
"My advise is for you to kill yourself."

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.c...b723b18df481e6
"After all these times, YOU still haven't got a clue!
Ok, it's an understatement. YOU are really a MORON!
Review the thread a thousand times and hopefully you'll finally get a clue
that what you said were really DUMB!"

So, does CBP really hire forgers?

nun

Let's get back to the OP's issues. You're embarking on a seriously dangerous course. Why don't you talk to the US embassy and tell them your situation and follow the law. What's the point of trying to put on over on US Immigration.