N-565 replacement of citizenship and class-action lawsuit proposal
I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while searching
for employment, along with my passport and social security card. I was finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July, 2004. The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent an expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration official but she gave me circuitous answers. The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot find work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I can't get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or get financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to visit my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can do short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain. So I propose this: If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have been affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a class-action lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The suit will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a result. One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the US to get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such important and basic paperwork. |
Re: N-565 replacement of citizenship and class-action lawsuit proposal
Originally Posted by Jarrun79
I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while searching
for employment, along with my passport and social security card. I was finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July, 2004. The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent an expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration official but she gave me circuitous answers. The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot find work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I can't get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or get financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to visit my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can do short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain. So I propose this: If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have been affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a class-action lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The suit will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a result. One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the US to get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such important and basic paperwork. You waited a year after losing the documents before you even filed for a replacement. During that year you weren't working. What is the urgency now? If you didn't have the initiative to file for the replacement for an entire year, I doubt you'll have the initiative to follow through on a class action suit. What were you doing for that year? Were you sitting on the couch watching Scooby Doo? |
Re: N-565 replacement of citizenship and class-action lawsuit proposal
That is incorrect: I was actively seeking employment even though I did
not have a certificate of citizenship. In addition, I could not afford the $210, especially since I was unemployment and the I-9 forms require an original copy. I was rejected by several potential employers because of this. I sold almost everything I had, even my computer, so I had limited access to any computer. My daily life revolved around trying to find out where I would sleep, and what I would eat. Additionally, there was a 1 week period I did not have anything to eat. Also, I could not sit and watch Scooby Doo; I did not have a TV. I moved back to my parents in New Jersey, and immediately signed up with a company I had worked for years earlier. It is only now, that I no longer have to worry about where to sleep and eat, that I have such strong initiative, which I will certainly follow through, on for a lawsuit. In addition, I had several medical conditions which I could not until recently be treated for (thanks NJ Charity Care!!!!). crg14624 wrote: > > I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while searching > > for employment, along with my passport and social security card. I > > was > > finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July, 2004. > > The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent an > > expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration official > > but she gave me circuitous answers. > > The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a > > naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot find > > work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I can't > > get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or get > > financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to visit > > my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I > > consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can do > > short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain. > > So I propose this: > > If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have been > > affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a class-action > > lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The suit > > will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a result. > > One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the US > > to > > get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights > > citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such > > important > > and basic paperwork. > Do you think you can find 4 other people that were unfortunate enough to > lose everything? Maybe you can find the 10,000 or so people who have > filed fraudulent immigration applications which have slowed down the > system and made it hard for the real people to get their applications > processed. Maybe you can sue them. > You waited a year after losing the documents before you even filed for a > replacement. During that year you weren't working. What is the urgency > now? If you didn't have the initiative to file for the replacement for > an entire year, I doubt you'll have the initiative to follow through on > a class action suit. What were you doing for that year? Were you > sitting on the couch watching Scooby Doo? > > -- > Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
Re: N-565 replacement of citizenship and class-action lawsuit proposal
Let me add, the very reason I wasn't working... is that this
certificate is required to work. I applied to and sent resumes out to over 100 different places. I was rejected dozens of times because of my inability to produce the document. So, I became homeless. I lived in about 14 different places. How can I follow through on anything if I don't have a permanent address and cannot afford a box at the office? Why the urgency? Because I want to work... I want to apply for a job working weekend doubles, in addition to my current job. Because I'm tired of driving without a driver's license and insurance. Because I'm aspiring to get a master's of business admin. degree and am 3-4 years to my goal. Because I want freedom to live my potential. That's the urgency. It was urgent back then; it is urgent now. |
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In some respects I agree that caution should be taken in processing the
N-565, Replacement of Lost, Damaged, or Mutilated Certificate of Citizenship. However, is one whole year necessary? Isn't this a bit extreme? For somebody who already had a Certifice of Citizenship? One year is worth $50,000 of lost wages from not being able to complete an I-9 hire form. Why is the processing time so long? Is the DHS going to follow my every move for one whole year? And does it take that long to accept somebody into the military, into the police force, into employment with an airline??? etc. Jarrun79 wrote: > I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while searching > for employment, along with my passport and social security card. I was > finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July, 2004. > The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent an > expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration official > but she gave me circuitous answers. > The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a > naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot find > work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I can't > get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or get > financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to visit > my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I > consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can do > short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain. > So I propose this: > If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have been > affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a class-action > lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The suit > will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a result. > One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the US to > get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights > citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such important > and basic paperwork. |
Re: N-565 replacement of citizenship and class-action lawsuit proposal
"Jarrun79" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com... >I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while searching > for employment, along with my passport and social security card. I was > finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July, 2004. > The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent an > expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration official > but she gave me circuitous answers. > The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a > naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot find > work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I can't > get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or get > financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to visit > my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I > consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can do > short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain. > So I propose this: > If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have been > affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a class-action > lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The suit > will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a result. > One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the US to > get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights > citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such important > and basic paperwork. Negligence has bad consequences. You are not the only person a DHS personnel has to deal with and your $210 is not even enough to pay that person for 2 days. There has been so many false claims to US citizenship immigration people have to deal with and not having anything to prove your identity does not help to lessen their task of trying to ensure who you really are either. It would take a lot of time and you don't really have a clear idea how involve and tedious investigating your case could be. Now you know how important it is to safeguard your citizenship documents. The burden of proof is on you to prove your citizenship and until you are able to prove that, you are not a US citizen in the eyes of those you are trying to convince. |
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Perhaps I was searching for employment to intensely. The day I lost my
papers, I must have visited 4 prospective employers. You say, "you have no idea how tedious investigating your case will be," yet you fail to mention any details. Let's say the $210 pays for one day. That's 8 hours. I want to know what goes into the investigation. Furthermore, you are saying I am not a citizen in the eyes of whom I'm trying to convince, which is everyone besides me. Therefore, you are saying I am not a citizen. Does that mean if I get drafted, I won't have to go? I was naturalized in 1992. Perhaps I'm the only one in 300,000,000 who was unfortunate enough to have lost all these documents, because I was searching for jobs at an incredible rate, and had to temporarily bring them with you. Perhaps you wouldn't care whether the processing time would be 1 year or 20 years, you still would say ... the burden of proof is on you. What about those who had house fires? tornadoes, floods, and lost documents that way? Let me tell you, the thought crossed my mind several times.. MAYBE I should FORGE my own documents since I AM A NATURALIZED CITIZEN BY DEFINITION, and not if I have paperwork or not. Yes I lost my paperwork... through some fault of my own. Does that mean I lost my citizenship? No, you are not a citizen because you receive paperwork, but you are a citizen by DEFINITION. Does that mean I would have to wait another 40 years to get paperwork? No. Ritze wrote: > "Jarrun79" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] ups.com... > >I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while searching > > for employment, along with my passport and social security card. I was > > finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July, 2004. > > The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent an > > expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration official > > but she gave me circuitous answers. > > The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a > > naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot find > > work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I can't > > get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or get > > financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to visit > > my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I > > consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can do > > short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain. > > So I propose this: > > If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have been > > affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a class-action > > lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The suit > > will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a result. > > One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the US to > > get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights > > citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such important > > and basic paperwork. > > > Negligence has bad consequences. You are not the only person a DHS > personnel has to deal with and your $210 is not even enough to pay that > person for 2 days. > There has been so many false claims to US citizenship immigration people > have to deal with and not having anything to prove your identity does not > help to lessen their task of trying to ensure who you really are either. It > would take a lot of time and you don't really have a clear idea how involve > and tedious investigating your case could be. > Now you know how important it is to safeguard your citizenship documents. > The burden of proof is on you to prove your citizenship and until you are > able to prove that, you are not a US citizen in the eyes of those you are > trying to convince. |
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One other thing I would like to add. Maybe I didn't lose it through my
own fault. Perhaps these documents could have been stolen. Jarrun79 wrote: > Perhaps I was searching for employment to intensely. The day I lost my > papers, I must have visited 4 prospective employers. > You say, "you have no idea how tedious investigating your case will > be," yet you fail to mention any details. Let's say the $210 pays for > one day. That's 8 hours. I want to know what goes into the > investigation. > Furthermore, you are saying I am not a citizen in the eyes of whom I'm > trying to convince, which is everyone besides me. Therefore, you are > saying I am not a citizen. Does that mean if I get drafted, I won't > have to go? > I was naturalized in 1992. Perhaps I'm the only one in 300,000,000 who > was unfortunate enough to have lost all these documents, because I was > searching for jobs at an incredible rate, and had to temporarily bring > them with you. > Perhaps you wouldn't care whether the processing time would be 1 year > or 20 years, you still would say ... the burden of proof is on you. > What about those who had house fires? tornadoes, floods, and lost > documents that way? > Let me tell you, the thought crossed my mind several times.. MAYBE I > should FORGE my own documents since I AM A NATURALIZED CITIZEN BY > DEFINITION, and not if I have paperwork or not. > Yes I lost my paperwork... through some fault of my own. Does that > mean I lost my citizenship? No, you are not a citizen because you > receive paperwork, but you are a citizen by DEFINITION. Does that mean > I would have to wait another 40 years to get paperwork? No. > Ritze wrote: > > "Jarrun79" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:[email protected] ups.com... > > >I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while searching > > > for employment, along with my passport and social security card. I > was > > > finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July, > 2004. > > > The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent an > > > expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration > official > > > but she gave me circuitous answers. > > > The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a > > > naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot find > > > work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I > can't > > > get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or get > > > financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to > visit > > > my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I > > > consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can > do > > > short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain. > > > So I propose this: > > > If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have been > > > affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a > class-action > > > lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The > suit > > > will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a > result. > > > One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the > US to > > > get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights > > > citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such > important > > > and basic paperwork. > > > > > > > Negligence has bad consequences. You are not the only person a DHS > > personnel has to deal with and your $210 is not even enough to pay > that > > person for 2 days. > > > > There has been so many false claims to US citizenship immigration > people > > have to deal with and not having anything to prove your identity does > not > > help to lessen their task of trying to ensure who you really are > either. It > > would take a lot of time and you don't really have a clear idea how > involve > > and tedious investigating your case could be. > > > > Now you know how important it is to safeguard your citizenship > documents. > > The burden of proof is on you to prove your citizenship and until you > are > > able to prove that, you are not a US citizen in the eyes of those you > are > > trying to convince. |
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Also... I ask this question:
What, then, is a reasonable time to get a replacement? Or do you think there should be one official per state, and first come first serve, whether that takes more than a lifetime? Jarrun79 wrote: > One other thing I would like to add. Maybe I didn't lose it through my > own fault. Perhaps these documents could have been stolen. > Jarrun79 wrote: > > Perhaps I was searching for employment to intensely. The day I lost > my > > papers, I must have visited 4 prospective employers. > > You say, "you have no idea how tedious investigating your case will > > be," yet you fail to mention any details. Let's say the $210 pays > for > > one day. That's 8 hours. I want to know what goes into the > > investigation. > > Furthermore, you are saying I am not a citizen in the eyes of whom > I'm > > trying to convince, which is everyone besides me. Therefore, you are > > saying I am not a citizen. Does that mean if I get drafted, I won't > > have to go? > > I was naturalized in 1992. Perhaps I'm the only one in 300,000,000 > who > > was unfortunate enough to have lost all these documents, because I > was > > searching for jobs at an incredible rate, and had to temporarily > bring > > them with you. > > Perhaps you wouldn't care whether the processing time would be 1 year > > or 20 years, you still would say ... the burden of proof is on you. > > What about those who had house fires? tornadoes, floods, and lost > > documents that way? > > Let me tell you, the thought crossed my mind several times.. MAYBE I > > should FORGE my own documents since I AM A NATURALIZED CITIZEN BY > > DEFINITION, and not if I have paperwork or not. > > Yes I lost my paperwork... through some fault of my own. Does that > > mean I lost my citizenship? No, you are not a citizen because you > > receive paperwork, but you are a citizen by DEFINITION. Does that > mean > > I would have to wait another 40 years to get paperwork? No. > > Ritze wrote: > > > "Jarrun79" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > > news:[email protected] ups.com... > > > >I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while > searching > > > > for employment, along with my passport and social security card. > I > > was > > > > finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July, > > 2004. > > > > The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent > an > > > > expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration > > official > > > > but she gave me circuitous answers. > > > > The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a > > > > naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot > find > > > > work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I > > can't > > > > get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or > get > > > > financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to > > visit > > > > my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I > > > > consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can > > do > > > > short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain. > > > > So I propose this: > > > > If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have > been > > > > affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a > > class-action > > > > lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The > > suit > > > > will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a > > result. > > > > One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the > > US to > > > > get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights > > > > citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such > > important > > > > and basic paperwork. > > > > > > > > > > Negligence has bad consequences. You are not the only person a DHS > > > personnel has to deal with and your $210 is not even enough to pay > > that > > > person for 2 days. > > > > > > There has been so many false claims to US citizenship immigration > > people > > > have to deal with and not having anything to prove your identity > does > > not > > > help to lessen their task of trying to ensure who you really are > > either. It > > > would take a lot of time and you don't really have a clear idea how > > involve > > > and tedious investigating your case could be. > > > > > > Now you know how important it is to safeguard your citizenship > > documents. > > > The burden of proof is on you to prove your citizenship and until > you > > are > > > able to prove that, you are not a US citizen in the eyes of those > you > > are > > > trying to convince. |
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Do I not also have fingerprints which will easily identify me? And is
there not a file in the Bureau with my picture in it? The fact of the matter is that this problem is caused by politics. Hey, at least I saved $1,500 in car insurance. Most policemen who pull me over are sympathetic with my plight, so they let me go when I can't produce the proper documents. Ritze wrote: > "Jarrun79" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] ups.com... > >I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while searching > > for employment, along with my passport and social security card. I was > > finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July, 2004. > > The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent an > > expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration official > > but she gave me circuitous answers. > > The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a > > naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot find > > work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I can't > > get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or get > > financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to visit > > my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I > > consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can do > > short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain. > > So I propose this: > > If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have been > > affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a class-action > > lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The suit > > will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a result. > > One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the US to > > get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights > > citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such important > > and basic paperwork. > > > Negligence has bad consequences. You are not the only person a DHS > personnel has to deal with and your $210 is not even enough to pay that > person for 2 days. > There has been so many false claims to US citizenship immigration people > have to deal with and not having anything to prove your identity does not > help to lessen their task of trying to ensure who you really are either. It > would take a lot of time and you don't really have a clear idea how involve > and tedious investigating your case could be. > Now you know how important it is to safeguard your citizenship documents. > The burden of proof is on you to prove your citizenship and until you are > able to prove that, you are not a US citizen in the eyes of those you are > trying to convince. |
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last words? Who are these people running the Department of Homeland
Security? Do they have some mental deficits of some sort? Jarrun79 wrote: > Do I not also have fingerprints which will easily identify me? And is > there not a file in the Bureau with my picture in it? > The fact of the matter is that this problem is caused by politics. > Hey, at least I saved $1,500 in car insurance. Most policemen who pull > me over are sympathetic with my plight, so they let me go when I can't > produce the proper documents. > Ritze wrote: > > "Jarrun79" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:[email protected] ups.com... > > >I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while searching > > > for employment, along with my passport and social security card. I > was > > > finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July, > 2004. > > > The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent an > > > expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration > official > > > but she gave me circuitous answers. > > > The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a > > > naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot find > > > work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I > can't > > > get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or get > > > financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to > visit > > > my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I > > > consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can > do > > > short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain. > > > So I propose this: > > > If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have been > > > affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a > class-action > > > lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The > suit > > > will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a > result. > > > One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the > US to > > > get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights > > > citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such > important > > > and basic paperwork. > > > > > > > Negligence has bad consequences. You are not the only person a DHS > > personnel has to deal with and your $210 is not even enough to pay > that > > person for 2 days. > > > > There has been so many false claims to US citizenship immigration > people > > have to deal with and not having anything to prove your identity does > not > > help to lessen their task of trying to ensure who you really are > either. It > > would take a lot of time and you don't really have a clear idea how > involve > > and tedious investigating your case could be. > > > > Now you know how important it is to safeguard your citizenship > documents. > > The burden of proof is on you to prove your citizenship and until you > are > > able to prove that, you are not a US citizen in the eyes of those you > are > > trying to convince. |
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Why do you need a certificate of naturalization to gain employment, the I-9 only asks for a SS card, without the legend and gov. issued photo ID, if you were naturalized in 1992 then you should already have both these, and if they were lost at the same time, then the relavent authorities, IE SSA and DMV should be able to reissue as your status on their computer should be USC
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But why did you take all of them in the first place. Your passport would have been sufficient. You did not need a passport and a naturalization certificate. A DL, SSC and a passport is all you would have needed to complete the I-9.
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Re: N-565 replacement of citizenship and class-action lawsuit proposal
Originally Posted by Jarrun79
Do I not also have fingerprints which will easily identify me? And is
there not a file in the Bureau with my picture in it? The fact of the matter is that this problem is caused by politics. Hey, at least I saved $1,500 in car insurance. Most policemen who pull me over are sympathetic with my plight, so they let me go when I can't produce the proper documents. Now you have lost all credibility in my eyes. No police anywhere in the NYS tri-state area is going to let you walk after stopping you while driving and you don't have insurance. I believe you are a troll. Rete |
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I think he is just talking to himself most of the time...but keep talking. I always yawn when I'm interested.
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