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Old Dec 9th 2004, 1:56 pm
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Jarrun79
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I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while searching
for employment, along with my passport and social security card. I was
finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July, 2004.
The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent an
expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration official
but she gave me circuitous answers.
The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a
naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot find
work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I can't
get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or get
financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to visit
my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I
consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can do
short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain.
So I propose this:
If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have been
affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a class-action
lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The suit
will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a result.
One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the US to
get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights
citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such important
and basic paperwork.
 
Old Dec 9th 2004, 4:48 pm
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Default Re: N-565 replacement of citizenship and class-action lawsuit proposal

Originally Posted by Jarrun79
I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while searching
for employment, along with my passport and social security card. I was
finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July, 2004.
The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent an
expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration official
but she gave me circuitous answers.
The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a
naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot find
work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I can't
get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or get
financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to visit
my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I
consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can do
short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain.
So I propose this:
If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have been
affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a class-action
lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The suit
will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a result.
One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the US to
get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights
citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such important
and basic paperwork.
Do you think you can find 4 other people that were unfortunate enough to lose everything? Maybe you can find the 10,000 or so people who have filed fraudulent immigration applications which have slowed down the system and made it hard for the real people to get their applications processed. Maybe you can sue them.

You waited a year after losing the documents before you even filed for a replacement. During that year you weren't working. What is the urgency now? If you didn't have the initiative to file for the replacement for an entire year, I doubt you'll have the initiative to follow through on a class action suit. What were you doing for that year? Were you sitting on the couch watching Scooby Doo?
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Old Dec 9th 2004, 6:39 pm
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That is incorrect: I was actively seeking employment even though I did
not have a certificate of citizenship. In addition, I could not afford
the $210, especially since I was unemployment and the I-9 forms require
an original copy. I was rejected by several potential employers
because of this. I sold almost everything I had, even my computer, so
I had limited access to any computer. My daily life revolved around
trying to find out where I would sleep, and what I would eat.
Additionally, there was a 1 week period I did not have anything to eat.
Also, I could not sit and watch Scooby Doo; I did not have a TV. I
moved back to my parents in New Jersey, and immediately signed up with
a company I had worked for years earlier. It is only now, that I no
longer have to worry about where to sleep and eat, that I have such
strong initiative, which I will certainly follow through, on for a
lawsuit. In addition, I had several medical conditions which I could
not until recently be treated for (thanks NJ Charity Care!!!!).
crg14624 wrote:
    > > I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while
searching
    > > for employment, along with my passport and social security card. I
    > > was
    > > finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July,
2004.
    > > The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent an
    > > expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration
official
    > > but she gave me circuitous answers.
    > > The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a
    > > naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot find
    > > work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I
can't
    > > get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or get
    > > financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to
visit
    > > my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I
    > > consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can
do
    > > short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain.
    > > So I propose this:
    > > If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have been
    > > affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a
class-action
    > > lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The
suit
    > > will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a
result.
    > > One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the
US
    > > to
    > > get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights
    > > citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such
    > > important
    > > and basic paperwork.
    > Do you think you can find 4 other people that were unfortunate enough
to
    > lose everything? Maybe you can find the 10,000 or so people who have
    > filed fraudulent immigration applications which have slowed down the
    > system and made it hard for the real people to get their applications
    > processed. Maybe you can sue them.
    > You waited a year after losing the documents before you even filed
for a
    > replacement. During that year you weren't working. What is the
urgency
    > now? If you didn't have the initiative to file for the replacement
for
    > an entire year, I doubt you'll have the initiative to follow through
on
    > a class action suit. What were you doing for that year? Were you
    > sitting on the couch watching Scooby Doo?
    >
    > --
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Old Dec 9th 2004, 6:55 pm
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Let me add, the very reason I wasn't working... is that this
certificate is required to work. I applied to and sent resumes out to
over 100 different places. I was rejected dozens of times because of
my inability to produce the document. So, I became homeless. I lived
in about 14 different places. How can I follow through on anything if
I don't have a permanent address and cannot afford a box at the office?

Why the urgency?
Because I want to work... I want to apply for a job working weekend
doubles, in addition to my current job. Because I'm tired of driving
without a driver's license and insurance. Because I'm aspiring to get
a master's of business admin. degree and am 3-4 years to my goal.
Because I want freedom to live my potential.
That's the urgency. It was urgent back then; it is urgent now.
 
Old Dec 9th 2004, 7:40 pm
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Jarrun79
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In some respects I agree that caution should be taken in processing the
N-565, Replacement of Lost, Damaged, or Mutilated Certificate of
Citizenship. However, is one whole year necessary? Isn't this a bit
extreme? For somebody who already had a Certifice of Citizenship? One
year is worth $50,000 of lost wages from not being able to complete an
I-9 hire form. Why is the processing time so long? Is the DHS going to
follow my every move for one whole year? And does it take that long to
accept somebody into the military, into the police force, into
employment with an airline??? etc.
Jarrun79 wrote:
    > I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while searching
    > for employment, along with my passport and social security card. I
was
    > finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July, 2004.
    > The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent an
    > expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration
official
    > but she gave me circuitous answers.
    > The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a
    > naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot find
    > work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I can't
    > get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or get
    > financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to
visit
    > my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I
    > consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can do
    > short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain.
    > So I propose this:
    > If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have been
    > affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a
class-action
    > lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The suit
    > will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a
result.
    > One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the US
to
    > get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights
    > citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such
important
    > and basic paperwork.
 
Old Dec 9th 2004, 8:30 pm
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"Jarrun79" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com...
    >I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while searching
    > for employment, along with my passport and social security card. I was
    > finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July, 2004.
    > The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent an
    > expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration official
    > but she gave me circuitous answers.
    > The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a
    > naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot find
    > work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I can't
    > get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or get
    > financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to visit
    > my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I
    > consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can do
    > short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain.
    > So I propose this:
    > If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have been
    > affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a class-action
    > lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The suit
    > will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a result.
    > One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the US to
    > get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights
    > citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such important
    > and basic paperwork.

Negligence has bad consequences. You are not the only person a DHS
personnel has to deal with and your $210 is not even enough to pay that
person for 2 days.

There has been so many false claims to US citizenship immigration people
have to deal with and not having anything to prove your identity does not
help to lessen their task of trying to ensure who you really are either. It
would take a lot of time and you don't really have a clear idea how involve
and tedious investigating your case could be.

Now you know how important it is to safeguard your citizenship documents.
The burden of proof is on you to prove your citizenship and until you are
able to prove that, you are not a US citizen in the eyes of those you are
trying to convince.
 
Old Dec 10th 2004, 12:06 pm
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Jarrun79
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Perhaps I was searching for employment to intensely. The day I lost my
papers, I must have visited 4 prospective employers.
You say, "you have no idea how tedious investigating your case will
be," yet you fail to mention any details. Let's say the $210 pays for
one day. That's 8 hours. I want to know what goes into the
investigation.
Furthermore, you are saying I am not a citizen in the eyes of whom I'm
trying to convince, which is everyone besides me. Therefore, you are
saying I am not a citizen. Does that mean if I get drafted, I won't
have to go?
I was naturalized in 1992. Perhaps I'm the only one in 300,000,000 who
was unfortunate enough to have lost all these documents, because I was
searching for jobs at an incredible rate, and had to temporarily bring
them with you.
Perhaps you wouldn't care whether the processing time would be 1 year
or 20 years, you still would say ... the burden of proof is on you.
What about those who had house fires? tornadoes, floods, and lost
documents that way?
Let me tell you, the thought crossed my mind several times.. MAYBE I
should FORGE my own documents since I AM A NATURALIZED CITIZEN BY
DEFINITION, and not if I have paperwork or not.
Yes I lost my paperwork... through some fault of my own. Does that
mean I lost my citizenship? No, you are not a citizen because you
receive paperwork, but you are a citizen by DEFINITION. Does that mean
I would have to wait another 40 years to get paperwork? No.
Ritze wrote:
    > "Jarrun79" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected] ups.com...
    > >I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while searching
    > > for employment, along with my passport and social security card. I
was
    > > finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July,
2004.
    > > The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent an
    > > expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration
official
    > > but she gave me circuitous answers.
    > > The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a
    > > naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot find
    > > work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I
can't
    > > get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or get
    > > financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to
visit
    > > my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I
    > > consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can
do
    > > short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain.
    > > So I propose this:
    > > If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have been
    > > affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a
class-action
    > > lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The
suit
    > > will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a
result.
    > > One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the
US to
    > > get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights
    > > citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such
important
    > > and basic paperwork.
    > >
    > Negligence has bad consequences. You are not the only person a DHS
    > personnel has to deal with and your $210 is not even enough to pay
that
    > person for 2 days.
    > There has been so many false claims to US citizenship immigration
people
    > have to deal with and not having anything to prove your identity does
not
    > help to lessen their task of trying to ensure who you really are
either. It
    > would take a lot of time and you don't really have a clear idea how
involve
    > and tedious investigating your case could be.
    > Now you know how important it is to safeguard your citizenship
documents.
    > The burden of proof is on you to prove your citizenship and until you
are
    > able to prove that, you are not a US citizen in the eyes of those you
are
    > trying to convince.
 
Old Dec 10th 2004, 12:22 pm
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One other thing I would like to add. Maybe I didn't lose it through my
own fault. Perhaps these documents could have been stolen.
Jarrun79 wrote:
    > Perhaps I was searching for employment to intensely. The day I lost
my
    > papers, I must have visited 4 prospective employers.
    > You say, "you have no idea how tedious investigating your case will
    > be," yet you fail to mention any details. Let's say the $210 pays
for
    > one day. That's 8 hours. I want to know what goes into the
    > investigation.
    > Furthermore, you are saying I am not a citizen in the eyes of whom
I'm
    > trying to convince, which is everyone besides me. Therefore, you are
    > saying I am not a citizen. Does that mean if I get drafted, I won't
    > have to go?
    > I was naturalized in 1992. Perhaps I'm the only one in 300,000,000
who
    > was unfortunate enough to have lost all these documents, because I
was
    > searching for jobs at an incredible rate, and had to temporarily
bring
    > them with you.
    > Perhaps you wouldn't care whether the processing time would be 1 year
    > or 20 years, you still would say ... the burden of proof is on you.
    > What about those who had house fires? tornadoes, floods, and lost
    > documents that way?
    > Let me tell you, the thought crossed my mind several times.. MAYBE I
    > should FORGE my own documents since I AM A NATURALIZED CITIZEN BY
    > DEFINITION, and not if I have paperwork or not.
    > Yes I lost my paperwork... through some fault of my own. Does that
    > mean I lost my citizenship? No, you are not a citizen because you
    > receive paperwork, but you are a citizen by DEFINITION. Does that
mean
    > I would have to wait another 40 years to get paperwork? No.
    > Ritze wrote:
    > > "Jarrun79" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected] ups.com...
    > > >I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while
searching
    > > > for employment, along with my passport and social security card.
I
    > was
    > > > finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July,
    > 2004.
    > > > The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent
an
    > > > expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration
    > official
    > > > but she gave me circuitous answers.
    > > > The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a
    > > > naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot
find
    > > > work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I
    > can't
    > > > get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or
get
    > > > financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to
    > visit
    > > > my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I
    > > > consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can
    > do
    > > > short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain.
    > > > So I propose this:
    > > > If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have
been
    > > > affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a
    > class-action
    > > > lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The
    > suit
    > > > will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a
    > result.
    > > > One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the
    > US to
    > > > get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights
    > > > citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such
    > important
    > > > and basic paperwork.
    > > >
    > >
    > > Negligence has bad consequences. You are not the only person a DHS
    > > personnel has to deal with and your $210 is not even enough to pay
    > that
    > > person for 2 days.
    > >
    > > There has been so many false claims to US citizenship immigration
    > people
    > > have to deal with and not having anything to prove your identity
does
    > not
    > > help to lessen their task of trying to ensure who you really are
    > either. It
    > > would take a lot of time and you don't really have a clear idea how
    > involve
    > > and tedious investigating your case could be.
    > >
    > > Now you know how important it is to safeguard your citizenship
    > documents.
    > > The burden of proof is on you to prove your citizenship and until
you
    > are
    > > able to prove that, you are not a US citizen in the eyes of those
you
    > are
    > > trying to convince.
 
Old Dec 10th 2004, 2:32 pm
  #9  
Jarrun79
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Also... I ask this question:
What, then, is a reasonable time to get a replacement? Or do you think
there should be one official per state, and first come first serve,
whether that takes more than a lifetime?
Jarrun79 wrote:
    > One other thing I would like to add. Maybe I didn't lose it through
my
    > own fault. Perhaps these documents could have been stolen.
    > Jarrun79 wrote:
    > > Perhaps I was searching for employment to intensely. The day I
lost
    > my
    > > papers, I must have visited 4 prospective employers.
    > > You say, "you have no idea how tedious investigating your case will
    > > be," yet you fail to mention any details. Let's say the $210 pays
    > for
    > > one day. That's 8 hours. I want to know what goes into the
    > > investigation.
    > > Furthermore, you are saying I am not a citizen in the eyes of whom
    > I'm
    > > trying to convince, which is everyone besides me. Therefore, you
are
    > > saying I am not a citizen. Does that mean if I get drafted, I
won't
    > > have to go?
    > > I was naturalized in 1992. Perhaps I'm the only one in 300,000,000
    > who
    > > was unfortunate enough to have lost all these documents, because I
    > was
    > > searching for jobs at an incredible rate, and had to temporarily
    > bring
    > > them with you.
    > > Perhaps you wouldn't care whether the processing time would be 1
year
    > > or 20 years, you still would say ... the burden of proof is on you.
    > > What about those who had house fires? tornadoes, floods, and lost
    > > documents that way?
    > > Let me tell you, the thought crossed my mind several times.. MAYBE
I
    > > should FORGE my own documents since I AM A NATURALIZED CITIZEN BY
    > > DEFINITION, and not if I have paperwork or not.
    > > Yes I lost my paperwork... through some fault of my own. Does that
    > > mean I lost my citizenship? No, you are not a citizen because you
    > > receive paperwork, but you are a citizen by DEFINITION. Does that
    > mean
    > > I would have to wait another 40 years to get paperwork? No.
    > > Ritze wrote:
    > > > "Jarrun79" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected] ups.com...
    > > > >I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while
    > searching
    > > > > for employment, along with my passport and social security
card.
    > I
    > > was
    > > > > finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July,
    > > 2004.
    > > > > The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent
    > an
    > > > > expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration
    > > official
    > > > > but she gave me circuitous answers.
    > > > > The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a
    > > > > naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot
    > find
    > > > > work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I
    > > can't
    > > > > get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or
    > get
    > > > > financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want
to
    > > visit
    > > > > my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I
    > > > > consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I
can
    > > do
    > > > > short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain.
    > > > > So I propose this:
    > > > > If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have
    > been
    > > > > affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a
    > > class-action
    > > > > lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The
    > > suit
    > > > > will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a
    > > result.
    > > > > One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of
the
    > > US to
    > > > > get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights
    > > > > citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such
    > > important
    > > > > and basic paperwork.
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > > Negligence has bad consequences. You are not the only person a
DHS
    > > > personnel has to deal with and your $210 is not even enough to
pay
    > > that
    > > > person for 2 days.
    > > >
    > > > There has been so many false claims to US citizenship immigration
    > > people
    > > > have to deal with and not having anything to prove your identity
    > does
    > > not
    > > > help to lessen their task of trying to ensure who you really are
    > > either. It
    > > > would take a lot of time and you don't really have a clear idea
how
    > > involve
    > > > and tedious investigating your case could be.
    > > >
    > > > Now you know how important it is to safeguard your citizenship
    > > documents.
    > > > The burden of proof is on you to prove your citizenship and until
    > you
    > > are
    > > > able to prove that, you are not a US citizen in the eyes of those
    > you
    > > are
    > > > trying to convince.
 
Old Dec 14th 2004, 5:06 pm
  #10  
Jarrun79
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Do I not also have fingerprints which will easily identify me? And is
there not a file in the Bureau with my picture in it?
The fact of the matter is that this problem is caused by politics.
Hey, at least I saved $1,500 in car insurance. Most policemen who pull
me over are sympathetic with my plight, so they let me go when I can't
produce the proper documents.
Ritze wrote:
    > "Jarrun79" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected] ups.com...
    > >I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while searching
    > > for employment, along with my passport and social security card. I
was
    > > finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July,
2004.
    > > The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent an
    > > expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration
official
    > > but she gave me circuitous answers.
    > > The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a
    > > naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot find
    > > work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I
can't
    > > get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or get
    > > financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to
visit
    > > my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I
    > > consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can
do
    > > short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain.
    > > So I propose this:
    > > If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have been
    > > affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a
class-action
    > > lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The
suit
    > > will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a
result.
    > > One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the
US to
    > > get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights
    > > citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such
important
    > > and basic paperwork.
    > >
    > Negligence has bad consequences. You are not the only person a DHS
    > personnel has to deal with and your $210 is not even enough to pay
that
    > person for 2 days.
    > There has been so many false claims to US citizenship immigration
people
    > have to deal with and not having anything to prove your identity does
not
    > help to lessen their task of trying to ensure who you really are
either. It
    > would take a lot of time and you don't really have a clear idea how
involve
    > and tedious investigating your case could be.
    > Now you know how important it is to safeguard your citizenship
documents.
    > The burden of proof is on you to prove your citizenship and until you
are
    > able to prove that, you are not a US citizen in the eyes of those you
are
    > trying to convince.
 
Old Dec 27th 2004, 1:07 pm
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last words? Who are these people running the Department of Homeland
Security? Do they have some mental deficits of some sort?
Jarrun79 wrote:
    > Do I not also have fingerprints which will easily identify me? And
is
    > there not a file in the Bureau with my picture in it?
    > The fact of the matter is that this problem is caused by politics.
    > Hey, at least I saved $1,500 in car insurance. Most policemen who
pull
    > me over are sympathetic with my plight, so they let me go when I
can't
    > produce the proper documents.
    > Ritze wrote:
    > > "Jarrun79" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected] ups.com...
    > > >I lost my certificate of citizenship in August, 2003 while
searching
    > > > for employment, along with my passport and social security card.
I
    > was
    > > > finally able to afford the $210 N-565 replacement fee in July,
    > 2004.
    > > > The N-565 replacement time, I was notified, is 360 days. I sent
an
    > > > expedited request but was ignored. I spoke to an immigration
    > official
    > > > but she gave me circuitous answers.
    > > > The consequences for this unreasonable processing time (for a
    > > > naturalized citizen) have been negative and severe. I cannot
find
    > > > work, I had to move back with my parents, and in New Jersey, I
    > can't
    > > > get a driver's license or insurance. I cannot go to school or
get
    > > > financial aid, or replace my social security card. If I want to
    > visit
    > > > my aging relatives, I can't because I cannot get a passport. I
    > > > consulted some attorneys and they said that there's nothing I can
    > do
    > > > short of a lawsuit, and then that is not certain.
    > > > So I propose this:
    > > > If at least 5 people respond to this message saying they have
been
    > > > affected similarly, I will consult an attorney to begin a
    > class-action
    > > > lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security (INS). The
    > suit
    > > > will address the processing time and any damages incurred as a
    > result.
    > > > One year is an unreasonable, ridiculous time for a citizen of the
    > US to
    > > > get proof of citizenship. Every citizen should have the rights
    > > > citizens have, and should have due process in regards to such
    > important
    > > > and basic paperwork.
    > > >
    > >
    > > Negligence has bad consequences. You are not the only person a DHS
    > > personnel has to deal with and your $210 is not even enough to pay
    > that
    > > person for 2 days.
    > >
    > > There has been so many false claims to US citizenship immigration
    > people
    > > have to deal with and not having anything to prove your identity
does
    > not
    > > help to lessen their task of trying to ensure who you really are
    > either. It
    > > would take a lot of time and you don't really have a clear idea how
    > involve
    > > and tedious investigating your case could be.
    > >
    > > Now you know how important it is to safeguard your citizenship
    > documents.
    > > The burden of proof is on you to prove your citizenship and until
you
    > are
    > > able to prove that, you are not a US citizen in the eyes of those
you
    > are
    > > trying to convince.
 
Old Dec 31st 2004, 7:36 pm
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Why do you need a certificate of naturalization to gain employment, the I-9 only asks for a SS card, without the legend and gov. issued photo ID, if you were naturalized in 1992 then you should already have both these, and if they were lost at the same time, then the relavent authorities, IE SSA and DMV should be able to reissue as your status on their computer should be USC
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Old Jan 2nd 2005, 2:16 am
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But why did you take all of them in the first place. Your passport would have been sufficient. You did not need a passport and a naturalization certificate. A DL, SSC and a passport is all you would have needed to complete the I-9.
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Originally Posted by Jarrun79
Do I not also have fingerprints which will easily identify me? And is
there not a file in the Bureau with my picture in it?
The fact of the matter is that this problem is caused by politics.
Hey, at least I saved $1,500 in car insurance. Most policemen who pull
me over are sympathetic with my plight, so they let me go when I can't
produce the proper documents.

Now you have lost all credibility in my eyes. No police anywhere in the NYS tri-state area is going to let you walk after stopping you while driving and you don't have insurance.

I believe you are a troll.

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I think he is just talking to himself most of the time...but keep talking. I always yawn when I'm interested.
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