jonathantrillo

....so very sorry. I know this has been asked thousands of times.

Basicly, i read this.

My impression was from this thread that there's no real 'fixed' rules when it comes to entering the USA multiple times in the same 12 month period. I've also read (can't remember if it was in that topic) that you could only enter the USA for up to 182 days in a 12 month time period. Meaning two 90 day trips per year, then nothing for 6 months.

After being pissed off / confused all day i found this on the autrailian ebassy page.

That to me says, again, there's no real rules on comming in and out of the countery as you please, even if i came home just for two weeks. It's just down to the guy at the POE.

Am i right in thinking that me going to the USA 4 times in a row is not against any rules. And is up to the guy at the POE wether i'm alowed in or not.

I think a simple yes or no answer would actually do the job, but if anyone has any more info for me that would be great.

Thanks for your time! Jonathan.

PS i skipped out all my background info, why i'm going etc etc to save the read time as i know this has been asked stupid amount of times befor, let me know if you need anymore info to help me out.

Noorah101

Yes, you are right.

Rene

jonathantrillo

So what do you think my chances are. Squeaky clean history, and i'll have loads of stuff showing I won't stay, but 4 times in one year? Toss of a coin?

Noorah101

Pretty much, yes.

Rene

jonathantrillo

Heads or tails?

Lol.

Thanks for your help. Obviously the first time in should go well, then the second time i might get a bit of a telling off, but be let in. Depending on how it goes the 2nd time i may not try for the third time.

meauxna

It's not just yes or no, in or out.. how long are your visits? What's the reason for your visits? What is your pattern of visits etc.

The rule of thumb is 'as much time out as you spent in'. Longer visits can make it harder to come back for another, immediate VWP-busting visit. "Visiting" a boy/girlfriend for 182 days of the year (and you might want to *seriously* look into that as you may then be obligated to file a US income tax return) is different than coming over for business meetings for your company 4 times at a week or so each.

meauxna

I think that is a dangerous conclusion, by the way, and not exactly correct. There is extensive information on the VWP and its use at the Dept Homeland Security site, and the Customs and Border Protection Agency site.
While it is 'down to the guy at the POE' in the main, they do have rules, guidelines and laws that they follow. For obvious reasons, not all that information is available to the general public.

One obvious thing they are watching out for is your level of intending immigrant-ness.

EJ3

Hi,

Just to let you know that I posted a similar question last week and got good clear responses. If you use the 'search' and enter 'visa waiver' you can find my thread entitled 'visa waiver by EJ3'. Hopefully you can find some answers there as I did.

Good luck

Folinskyinla

Hi:

It really depends upon the facts. I've known of Brits who are executives at maquiladoras in Mexico and spend every weekend in the US -- with no problem. That is over 50 times a year!

Folinskyinla

Hi:

Somehow I keep thinking of Justice Potter Stewart's comment in an attempt to define prohibited pornography. See Jacobellis v. Ohio, 378 U.S. 184 (1964).

jonathantrillo

But ignorance is bliss. Like i said befor, the first time i go in shouldn't be a problem. The second i can't see them not letting me in, but would probably tell me to make it my last time. I can always argue that what i'm doing is allowed as far as i know if i get into any trouble.

But yeah i know what you mean. I just wish there was clear cut rules.

meauxna

Ignorance gets sent home on the next available flight every day.

What is not clear cut about 'as much time out as you spent in'? Your reluctance to state your plans raises you on the Fishy Scale to a 6.3, btw.

ian-mstm

Oh... I think it's always a good idea to tell the immigration officer what is or isn't allowed! Go ahead, knock yourself out!

Ian

jonathantrillo

Well, what i mean by ignoreance, i meant that what i'm doing isn't braking any rules, it states on an embassy webpage that there is no length of time you have to spend back home to come back out for 90 days.
Acording to that i'll be ok doing what i intend to do so long as i can show without a doubt that i will be leaving, which i feel confident i can do.

I would have thought the officer wouldn't mind me entering the usa frequently if i can show, and convince him i'm a 100% going to leave that's what matters surely?

'As much time out as you spent in' is clear cut, but it isn't true. That isn't a rule, it's just a rough suggestion to what you should be spending outside the US.

Also i am not reluctent in anyway to tell you my plans, i just didn't bother as i thought it didn't make a difference to the question i was asking.
Basicly my girlfrind lives in the US, and i'd like to visit her for a year, living off saved money.

jonathantrillo

Haha, yeah. I would make sure i word things differently when i'm in front of the guy than i would on here.