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Old Nov 12th 2002, 8:38 pm
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Tl
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We could get into the new strain of TB that has surfaced on both our northern and
southern borders. At least the Canadians have been honest about the immigrant
nature of the disease.

Nicolas Garcia wrote:

    > On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Hussin wrote:
    > >
    > > "TL" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > > I don't think an organic cause of autism has ever been established. If
    > > certain
    > > > immigrant populations are more prone to it, than our native population,
    > > that is
    > > > of interest. It might explain a lot of things.
    > > >
    > >
    > > According to all the information I've seen, autism occurs 4 times as often
    > > in males as females, but there is nothing linking autism to any ethnic group
    > > or economic status, etc. Linking autism to immigration is not valid.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > Mister Hussin..
    > stick around, these folks here even link El NINO to immigration, just to
    > blame it on someone!!!
 
Old Nov 12th 2002, 8:46 pm
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"TL" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

    > Nicolas Garcia wrote:
    > > On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Hussin wrote:
    > >
    > > >
    > > > "TL" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > > > > I don't think an organic cause of autism has ever been established.
If
    > > > certain
    > > > > immigrant populations are more prone to it, than our native
population,
    > > > that is
    > > > > of interest. It might explain a lot of things.
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > > According to all the information I've seen, autism occurs 4 times as
often
    > > > in males as females, but there is nothing linking autism to any ethnic
group
    > > > or economic status, etc. Linking autism to immigration is not valid.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > Mister Hussin..
    > >
    > > stick around, these folks here even link El NINO to immigration, just
to
    > > blame it on someone!!
    > We could get into the new strain of TB that has surfaced on both our
northern and
    > southern borders. At least the Canadians have been honest about the
immigrant
    > nature of the disease.


Hell, for that matter, I consider the likes of Senor Garcia to be a sort of
societal "pathogen." He's pretty easy to spot, too. We can't kill them or
stop them from breeding, but we can limit their numbers.

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Old Nov 12th 2002, 9:00 pm
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This mentions another aspect of our earlier dicussion on TB and related
diseases.
http://www.freep.com/news/health/nstaph12_20021112.htm

americankernel wrote:

    > "TL" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > Nicolas Garcia wrote:
    > >
    > > > On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Hussin wrote:
    > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "TL" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > I don't think an organic cause of autism has ever been established.
    > If
    > > > > certain
    > > > > > immigrant populations are more prone to it, than our native
    > population,
    > > > > that is
    > > > > > of interest. It might explain a lot of things.
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > According to all the information I've seen, autism occurs 4 times as
    > often
    > > > > in males as females, but there is nothing linking autism to any ethnic
    > group
    > > > > or economic status, etc. Linking autism to immigration is not valid.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > Mister Hussin..
    > > >
    > > > stick around, these folks here even link El NINO to immigration, just
    > to
    > > > blame it on someone!!
    > >
    > > We could get into the new strain of TB that has surfaced on both our
    > northern and
    > > southern borders. At least the Canadians have been honest about the
    > immigrant
    > > nature of the disease.
    > >
    > Hell, for that matter, I consider the likes of Senor Garcia to be a sort of
    > societal "pathogen." He's pretty easy to spot, too. We can't kill them or
    > stop them from breeding, but we can limit their numbers.
    > --
    > The American Kernel
 
Old Nov 13th 2002, 12:47 am
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[email protected] wrote:
    > > Come up with any statistical variable (other than autism levels
    > > themselves) that, by state, can be fit by two lines at a higher
    > > product of Peason correlation coefficients with the autism levels in
    > > the year 2000 than the one I gave: The multiple increase of foreign
    > > born from 1990 to 2000 (.7*.59=.413).
    >
    > Just one variable? Properly one should try to build an n-variable
    > model,

Statistical variables are frequently composites. For instance the
count of autistic diagnoses in a state is frequently divided by the
state population (or the population of childre 6-18) to give a
percapita rate of some sort. That percapita rate is then something
against which another single, but compisite variable, can be
correlated such as the one I showed which involves the foreign born
resident in 2000 divided by the foreign born in 1990. The ratio is a
single number.

You feign knowledge of statistics yet you obviously don't know the
first thing -- you even called my correlation poor when the
significance level given the number of samples and coefficient is
quite adequate for further research investment to follow.
 
Old Nov 13th 2002, 1:53 am
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Originally posted by James Bowery
[email protected] wrote:
    > > Come up with any statistical variable (other than autism levels
    > > themselves) that, by state, can be fit by two lines at a higher
    > > product of Peason correlation coefficients with the autism levels in
    > > the year 2000 than the one I gave: The multiple increase of foreign
    > > born from 1990 to 2000 (.7*.59=.413).
    >
    > Just one variable? Properly one should try to build an n-variable
    > model,

Statistical variables are frequently composites. For instance the
count of autistic diagnoses in a state is frequently divided by the
state population (or the population of childre 6-18) to give a
percapita rate of some sort. That percapita rate is then something
against which another single, but compisite variable, can be
correlated such as the one I showed which involves the foreign born
resident in 2000 divided by the foreign born in 1990. The ratio is a
single number.

You feign knowledge of statistics yet you obviously don't know the
first thing -- you even called my correlation poor when the
significance level given the number of samples and coefficient is
quite adequate for further research investment to follow.
In which case why are you showing it here. If you have a legitimate interest in this issue you should be showing to someone - or more likely some university or government agency - with the funding & motivation to investigate further.
Instead you choose an immigration NG in which to insinuate that there is a link between autism and foreigners.
If you have difficulty understanding why people on this site are sceptical (sorry skeptical) of your motives you are clearly not as bright as you would like to think you are.

Autism is a very serious issue that causes many parents great distress - whatever axe you have to grind - take it elsewhere.
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Old Nov 13th 2002, 2:30 am
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TL wrote:

    > We could get into the new strain of TB that has surfaced on both our northern and
    > southern borders. At least the Canadians have been honest about the immigrant
    > nature of the disease.

Does TB cause autism?
 
Old Nov 13th 2002, 2:37 am
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As far as I know, autism is non-organic. The Canadians have been pretty good about
reporting comunicable diseases in which the carrier of the disease was/is an immigrant.

There is a new strain of TB that can be communicated by the simple act of talking.



Tim Bruening wrote:

    > TL wrote:
    > > We could get into the new strain of TB that has surfaced on both our northern and
    > > southern borders. At least the Canadians have been honest about the immigrant
    > > nature of the disease.
    > Does TB cause autism?
 
Old Nov 13th 2002, 2:48 am
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A sad story about autism in Texas:
http://www.local6.com/sh/education/s...12-141144.html


TL wrote:

    > As far as I know, autism is non-organic. The Canadians have been pretty good about
    > reporting comunicable diseases in which the carrier of the disease was/is an immigrant.
    > There is a new strain of TB that can be communicated by the simple act of talking.
    > Tim Bruening wrote:
    > > TL wrote:
    > >
    > > > We could get into the new strain of TB that has surfaced on both our northern and
    > > > southern borders. At least the Canadians have been honest about the immigrant
    > > > nature of the disease.
    > >
    > > Does TB cause autism?
 
Old Nov 13th 2002, 5:13 am
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TL wrote :

    > We could get into the new strain of TB that has surfaced on
    > both our northern and southern borders. At least the Canadians
    > have been honest about the immigrant nature of the disease.

People with Autism are persecuted. Persecuted people are more likely to
seek some form or other of Asylum.
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Old Nov 13th 2002, 10:02 pm
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[email protected] (James Bowery) wrote in message news:...
    > [email protected] wrote:
    > > > Come up with any statistical variable (other than autism levels
    > > > themselves) that, by state, can be fit by two lines at a higher
    > > > product of Peason correlation coefficients with the autism levels in
    > > > the year 2000 than the one I gave: The multiple increase of foreign
    > > > born from 1990 to 2000 (.7*.59=.413).
    > >
    > > Just one variable? Properly one should try to build an n-variable
    > > model,
    >
    > Statistical variables are frequently composites. For instance the
    > count of autistic diagnoses in a state is frequently divided by the
    > state population (or the population of childre 6-18) to give a
    > percapita rate of some sort. That percapita rate is then something
    > against which another single, but compisite variable, can be
    > correlated such as the one I showed which involves the foreign born
    > resident in 2000 divided by the foreign born in 1990. The ratio is a
    > single number.

...you correlated per capita autism hits to per capita furriners...or
y as a function of X1...I just think one ought to go X1, X2,...,Xn and
let the analysis drop the variables as needed...

    > You feign knowledge of statistics yet you obviously don't know the
    > first thing -- you even called my correlation poor when the
    > significance level given the number of samples and coefficient is
    > quite adequate for further research investment to follow.

Oh, I have seen better correlation coefficients. Like someone pointed
out, a high correlation does not indicate causality. Bottom line, you
are claiming: there's autism cause of the furriners! I just think
your model is not robust enough. Anyways, I still will need to see
the colour of your money before I use my poor skills on chasing this
snark...union rules, sorry.
 
Old Nov 14th 2002, 5:00 am
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[email protected] wrote
    > Anyways, I still will need to see
    > the colour of your money before I use my poor skills on chasing this
    > snark...union rules, sorry.

Autism, particularly the profound increase in autism spectrum
disorders over the last decade, is no "snark".

If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen kid.
 
Old Nov 14th 2002, 1:20 pm
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"Nicolas Garcia" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Hussin wrote:
    > >
    > > "TL" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > > > I don't think an organic cause of autism has ever been established. If
    > > certain
    > > > immigrant populations are more prone to it, than our native
population,
    > > that is
    > > > of interest. It might explain a lot of things.
    > > >
    > >
    > > According to all the information I've seen, autism occurs 4 times as
often
    > > in males as females, but there is nothing linking autism to any ethnic
group
    > > or economic status, etc. Linking autism to immigration is not valid.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > Mister Hussin..
    > stick around, these folks here even link El NINO to immigration, just to
    > blame it on someone!!!

Yes, even my own family had to listen to people who thought that immigration
was the cause of every evil in the world. Linking it to autism? Oh boy is
that a stretch.
 
Old Nov 14th 2002, 2:41 pm
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In article ,
James Bowery wrote:
    >[email protected] wrote
    >> Anyways, I still will need to see
    >> the colour of your money before I use my poor skills on chasing this
    >> snark...union rules, sorry.
    >Autism, particularly the profound increase in autism spectrum
    >disorders over the last decade, is no "snark".

I'm still of the opinion that there is very little increase (perhaps some
due to diet or environmental changes), but mostly its the fact that autism
is being recognized much more now. In the past it was only recognized when
it had dramatic effects, and even then was often misdiagnosed as
schizophrenia, 'bad attitude', or whatever.
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Old Nov 14th 2002, 5:05 pm
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In article , [email protected] (Lawrence
Foard) wrote:
    >In article ,
    >James Bowery wrote:
    >>Autism, particularly the profound increase in autism spectrum
    >>disorders over the last decade, is no "snark".
    >I'm still of the opinion that there is very little increase (perhaps some
    >due to diet or environmental changes), but mostly its the fact that autism
    >is being recognized much more now. In the past it was only recognized when
    >it had dramatic effects, and even then was often misdiagnosed as
    >schizophrenia, 'bad attitude', or whatever.

Please go take a look at the recent study in California, designed to weed out
such previous misdiagnoses, and to rate people with current standards. It
does not appear that the difference in diagnosis is as big as the difference
in number of cases.

Alun.
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Old Nov 14th 2002, 5:05 pm
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In article , "Hussin"
wrote:
    >Yes, even my own family had to listen to people who thought that immigration
    >was the cause of every evil in the world. Linking it to autism? Oh boy is
    >that a stretch.

But you can correlate it to any number of things. For instance, it's obvious
that there's a link between television stations and autism - after all, as the
number of television stations has increased, so too have the numbers of
autistic children. Maybe there's a link between average literacy rates and
autism, and we should start a campaign to cease education? Or even life
expectancy and autism, so we should advocate early culling of people over a
certain age.

The deal is that in each of those "links", there is merely a correlation.
Correlation does not imply causation, in a mathematical sense of the word
"imply". It might _suggest_ causation, although one has to be careful
sometimes to determine the direction of causation. Every time I put Benadryl
cream on my feet, for instance, I have an ant-bite and my foot swells up.
Does the Benadryl cream attract the ants? Hardly likely, because the
direction of causation is that the ant bites me, and _then_ I put Benadryl
cream on. But there's a correlation, which to some might suggest that
Benadryl cream is an obvious cause of my ant bites and foot swellings.

I'm even told that there is a correlation between ice cream sales and reported
rapes. Explain that one!

Alun.
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