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Old May 24th 2005, 9:38 am
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To Donna,
Technically, you can say yes I do give my 'feet', but a few points are in order:
-I will put into you one foot in the marriage, since you share me with the other 3;
-The other 3 need to first accept you into their 'circle of wives';
-Once they accept you, you will need to get past the issue of jealousy which is always the hardest part for the 'new wife'.

We have been trying to diversify culturally, so you will be welcome with ideas that revitalize the union.

Your apparent knowledge of the law would help guide us into what we can improve on.

The only issue that seems to work against you is the current marriage.

All the best.


To everyone else,
First the guy who mentioned East Africa is almost correct.

Secondly, it appears I may have a problem getting the whole act together, especially given Mr.Folinsky's explanation.

To the Andrew guy who said 'respect is earned', can you give me a list of things that earn your culture respect? In this case, since we are talking US culture, have you been reading the news in the past one year? Those news speak for themselves.

Otherwise am glad that this board is very helpful with some very open minded people and a bunch of the opposite, but thank you everyone for your help. I will decide what to do in due course.

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Originally Posted by Lwanda_Magere
-The other 3 need to first accept you into their 'circle of wives';
-Once they accept you, you will need to get past the issue of jealousy which is always the hardest part for the 'new wife'.
Okay... 4 words... "Raise the Red Lantern"

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Ok this guy is likely a troll. But who are we to judge what happens in Kenya. This is not clitoral mutilation. Its a 1,000s year old tradition that has nothing to do with multiple sex partners and more to do with a historical method to 'protect' women when the ability for each to have a single husband is not possible.

Elvira, women and men are not equal in the US. Neither are whites or blacks. Or Latinos and whites. What does this have to do with multiple wives anyway?
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To the OP: How old are your wives?
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There seem to me two obvious solutions:

1. Chicken Fox and Bag of Grain

Bring over Wife 1 and Children

Wife 1 obtains status, divorce Wife 1 (I think you just have to recant it 3 times and hand back the bullock, but best to check)

Marry Wife 2 and obtain an immigrant visa for her, CR1 seems to be quickest.

Wife 2 obtains status, divorce Wife 2

Marry Wife 3 and obtain an immigrant visa for her.

Move to Utah were they seem to find such arrangements quite acceptable, though the African aspect might not go down too well.

2. Bring over Wife 1 and Children

Wait for children of 2 and 3 to acquire USC status and age 21 so they can sponsor their mothers.

Now that leaves what to do with 2 and 3 whilst waiting. The obvious solution would be Au Pair visa's or a B2. I believe that the US Embassy in Lagos is particulary understanding of this type of situation.

If you retain the services of an immigration lawyer I would first check if they charge per head or per family, the former could get a bit expensive.

You might want to look at the Africa Forum of Visajourney.com, they probably have a sticky on this situation.
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Old May 24th 2005, 3:35 pm
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Lwanda_Magere wrote:

    > To the Andrew guy who said 'respect is earned', can you give me a list
    > of things that earn your culture respect?

No, I don't care to. If you remember properly it's you who is the one
who wants to enter "my" house (country). As such it is your problem and
it is you that must be prepared to abide by the rules and grant respect
to us if you wish to come here. Otherwise stay the hell away! We don't
need you here. If I wished to come there then perhaps I'd be interested,
but I don't want to go to your country, hence I don't give a rats ass
about you nor your country or culture. Just don't come barging into my
house and demanding respect for your ways and culture. You will be
summarily be kicked out the door.

    > In this case, since we are talking US culture, have you been reading
    > the news in the past one year?

I've been reading the news for a lot more than the past year. Of course
there are all kinds of news sources and publications. I, for example,
don't read nor pay much attention to the Enquirer or say People Magazine.

    > Those news speak for themselves.

Yes they sure do. And Americans have made lots of news, both good and
bad. But there's no excepting the fact that Americans are very
productive, ingenious, generate wealth, goods, services and more
inventions for the good of society here and abroad than just about any
other country in the world. As for cultural things, there is no
mistaking that the world looks to places like Hollywood as the center of
the movie industry. American music is mimicked and stolen the world
round. The list of American entertainers and their influence on the
world and the world of music and the arts is enormous! Advances in
computers, including animation and video games are rivaled by none
except perhaps Japan. How many countries around the world mimic American
democracy? Have "congresses" and "constitutions", etc.? Signs of
American culture are present all over the globe. And it is by and large
mimicked by others around the world instead of installed by America. And
with good reason. America is the wealthiest and one of the most
productive societies the world has seen. Its no wonder that other
countries mimic what happens here because they want to be like us. It's
no wonder that millions attempt to immigrate here because they want to
share in the riches. And it's no wonder than many countries hate us in
their envy. They bemoan our capitalism and yet you will see such
infamous and reviled companies like Coke, Pepsi, McDonalds, Microsoft,
etc. prevalent in their countries. What does that say except envy?

What influence has African (sorry I don't believe you named your
country) culture given to the world? What people in the world look to
Africa for cultural guidance? For social, economic or knowledge? None.

And let's not forget the fact that you seem eager to come here and share
in such wealth, knowledge and freedom. Surely sir if you felt the US was
that bad you would not go to lengths, even illegal lengths were you
would willingly put yourself, your 3 wives and 13 kids in danger and
harms way to get here. There is no mistaking the fact that whatever you
think of US culture you sure seem willing to join it.

Otherwise I suggest you take you and your silly assed clan/tribe to some
other country that is better suited to your "culture".

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Old May 24th 2005, 3:40 pm
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DCMark wrote:

    >> Okay... 4 words... "Raise the Red Lantern"
    >> Ian
    > Ok this guy is likely a troll. But who are we to judge what happens in
    > Kenya. This is not clitoral mutilation. Its a 1,000s year old
    > tradition that has nothing to do with multiple sex partners and more
    > to do with a historical method to 'protect' women when the ability for
    > each to have a single husband is not possible.

Exactly who do we have to be in order to judge? I mean man people throw
about that phrase (who are we to judge) as if to abolish all judgment
all the time. Sorry but there are really no qualifications to judge in
many cases. Who are we to judge? Just other people and that's all we
need to be.

As for polygamy as a practice, I have no real object to it. Don't see
why anyone would want more than 1 wife - one wife is enough trouble.
Kinda wonder what happens if they all decide to up at leave at the same
time. Think about it. If you have 3 wives and one decided to divorce
does she get 1/2 or only 1/4?

Anyways it does not change the fact that it's illegal here so he's
stuck. What he does in his own country is between him and his country.
If he comes here he'll have to abide by the laws here (just like if we
migrated there we'd be expected to abide by his countries laws).

    > Elvira, women and men are not equal in the US. Neither are whites or
    > blacks. Or Latinos and whites. What does this have to do with multiple
    > wives anyway?

People are not equal to start with. What makes anybody think that they
should be equal later on? Just remember you're unique - just like
everybody else!

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Originally Posted by Lwanda_Magere
In this case, since we are talking US culture, have you been reading the news in the past one year? Those news speak for themselves.
What is that supposed to mean?
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Originally Posted by DCMark
This a 1,000s year old tradition that has nothing to do with multiple sex partners and more to do with a historical method to 'protect' women when the ability for each to have a single husband is not possible.
Right, that's why the OP married two girls young enough to be his daughters...
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OP has lots of "culture" or, at least his handle has... It took me 1 sec to find on Google:

The Legend of Lwanda Magere
(An African version of the Samson and Delilah story)

A long time ago
In the land of the Luo,
There lived a might warrior,
His name, Lwanda Magere.

They say he was of stone,
And not of flesh and bone.
Because from every battle
He got no wounds at all.

His mark he did inscribe
On the other weaker tribes.
And though it sounds impossible,
The Luo became invincible.

One weaker tribe, the Kipsigis,
Wanted Luo dominance to cease.
So they called upon their Elders,
"Oh Wise Ones, please help us!"

The Elders' final solution
Was in the form of a vision
Of utter, undiluted loveliness,
A gift from the Kipsigis.

The Luo people accepted
And to Lwanda she was wedded.
And during their marital bliss,
'tween the two tribes, there was peace.

But on the day the peace was shattered,
Lwanda had returned bruised and battered.
So in order to be treated,
He told his wife his secret.

The Kipsigis praised their Wise Ones
For finding a worthy solution.
For the gift the Luo were deceived by,
Was a trained Kipsigis spy!

In the ensuing war:
Kipsigis versus Luo,
Lwanda was the hero
Till someone speared his shadow.

Now that fallen warrior
His name, Lwanda Magere,
His lifeless flesh and bones
Were transformed into stone.

The moral of this story,
Is clear for all to see.
All have an Achilles' heel -
And Lwanda's stone is real.

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Originally Posted by Andrew DeFaria
:What influence has African (sorry I don't believe you named your
country) culture given to the world? What people in the world look to
Africa for cultural guidance? For social, economic or knowledge? None.


What in the heck are you talking about?? Your "home" or "house" or whatever you refer to it as, was built on the backs and sweat of african slaves. African culture has contributed a lot to this world, maybe you should look it up and read about it, because apparently you are very ignorant where that is concerned and may I say, bordering on sounding racist. Anyway pick up a book about african culture and read it, or The history of blacks in america, maybe you'll learn something.

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trasmus wrote:

    > What in the heck are you talking about?? Your "home" or "house" or
    > whatever you refer to it as, was built on the backs and sweat of african
    > slaves.

First off, what happened over 150 years ago is not me. Slavery was
abolished long ago. Secondly the slaves are hardly responsible for
building the country - parts of it, yes - but not the whole country. And
there hasn't been a slave building anything for at least 150 years!

    > African culture has contributed a lot to this world, maybe you should
    > look it up and read about it, because apparently you are very ignorant
    > where that is concerned

No I just largely disagree with you. Are you attempting to say that the
advances in society since say 1950 until the present were done with
either slaves or through African culture?

    > and may I say, bordering on sounding racist.

I don't give a shit if you think I'm a racist. I ain't but if you need
to believe that then have at it.

    > Anyway pick up a book about african culture and read it, or The
    > history of blacks in america, maybe you'll learn something.

Blacks in America long ago is not the same as present day America and
present day Africa. I have no interest nor desire to learn anything more
than I already know about African culture. If you think that makes me a
racist then so be it.

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Old May 24th 2005, 9:41 pm
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Boiler wrote:

You haven't by any chance been taking a philosophy/logical thinking
class lately have you, Boiler?

K.

    >>To the OP: How old are your wives?
    >
    >
    > There seem to me two obvious solutions:
    >
    > 1. Chicken Fox and Bag of Grain
    >
    > Bring over Wife 1 and Children
    >
    > Wife 1 obtains status, divorce Wife 1 (I think you just have to recant
    > it 3 times and hand back the bullock, but best to check)
    >
    > Marry Wife 2 and obtain an immigrant visa for her, CR1 seems to
    > be quickest.
    >
    > Wife 2 obtains status, divorce Wife 2
    >
    > Marry Wife 3 and obtain an immigrant visa for her.
    >
    > Move to Utah were they seem to find such arrangements quite acceptable,
    > though the African aspect might not go down too well.
    >
    > 2. Bring over Wife 1 and Children
    >
    > Wait for children of 2 and 3 to acquire USC status and age 21 so they
    > can sponsor their mothers.
    >
    > Now that leaves what to do with 2 and 3 whilst waiting. The obvious
    > solution would be Au Pair visa's or a B2. I believe that the US Embassy
    > in Lagos is particulary understanding of this type of situation.
    >
    > If you retain the services of an immigration lawyer I would first check
    > if they charge per head or per family, the former could get a bit
    > expensive.
    >
    > You might want to look at the Africa Forum of Visajourney.com, they
    > probably have a sticky on this situation.
    >
 
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[QUOTE=Andrew DeFaria]From: Andrew DeFaria <[email protected]>
QUOTE]


I can see that you are just an all around a<edited>, so I won't waste my time in a debate with you. As for not giving a shit[e], that goes both ways. Igorance is bliss as that say, and in your case, you dwell in a utopia of ignorance.

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Originally Posted by DonnaElvira
I think you are sick!

I think you had better educate yourself about the US and its laws and customs as you do not seem anywhere near ready to come and live here.

FYI, this is a civilised country where men and women have equal rights.
Elvira,
There are countries in the world that embrace "polygamy." It is very prevalent in "agrarian" societies, much of which Africa still is. Many wives and children are desired. More wives equal more children, more children equal more hands, legs and backs for planting, farming and harvesting. Polygamy is "almost" non-existent in the US becuase the US is a "developed industrial country"

The guy has three wives and thirteen children, so what!

If you think men and women have equal rights in the US... you're wrong, they don't have "equal opportunity" let alone equal rights yet! Get a grip!
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