Poppy girl

I see what you are saying, but you could be digging a hole for yourself as they could be trying to see what your responce will be, they already know before you tell them.

If you order a fresh new passport thats a red light for sure as they may want to know why you have a new one when the other was still valid, then what are you going to do!! LIE!! NO you cannot cheat the system....if you say you lost it they will only delve further into the information from the previous passport that they have on record ie the hologram or scanning details and what will they find

albert17

So how quickly will a POE know when you left the US?

Poppy girl

By your boarding pass, or your VWP slip or scanning the passport before departure...
It could be over looked but if they are suspicious of someone then immediately.

The airline knows exactly who is on the manifest to fly prior to take off only a shame this was not done in more detail before 911.

albert17

Boarding passes and VWP departure slips are given to the Airline, so I do not believe that Immigration knows immediately.

So if one leaves the US and returns 1-7 days later, will the POE know?

Folinskyinla

Hi:

Reasonable perhaps. Last time I looked, it was wrong.

Poppy girl

They are given to the airline and in all honesty I forget the amount of time that they have to hand over the information, probabaly because we used to do it the same day.

Major airlines may take longer as I have heard of folk that did not hand in thier departure cards in and the US was aware they had even left.

Remeber that immigration and the airlines work hand in hand I don't have this as fact but it would make sence that any information that was taken by the airlines was then accessible to the Immigration department.

fatbrit

God grant me the courage not to give up what I think is right even though I think it is hopeless.

Lilyella

There's actually a new checkout system now where you have to scan your passport into a machine and you get a barcoded slip back. Don't know if it's yet at every airport, but no doubt it soon will be.

Tracym

He has a right to be "full of himself" - he's an expert in the field.

speedaz

well no I don't have to lie. I could just tell them I thought the process of getting back in as a permenant resident would be smoother if i had a fresh passport.

augigi

And they'll ask Why? What were you hiding?

Your actions in coming in on the VWP make it sound like even you thought you had abandoned your PR. Your actions now about thinking about getting a new passport to hide stamps in the old one, going to Canada etc sound very dodgy.

You really should take the advice given quite some time ago and get a lawyer.

Folinskyinla

Hi:

Go see that lawyer -- it is a good idea to ask if they have ever TRIED an abandonment case. Note I did not say to ask if they have tried MANY such cases, but whether or not they have tried ANY. With a couple of exceptions, I've had to educate the Immigration Judge every time I try one of these -- and I've tried less than ten.

I'm not kidding -- do not hang around here -- what you want to do is the type of thing for attorney-client relationship. And one for which not many immigration lawyers will be qualified.

These cases are quite fact specific -- an example can be found at

http://www.lexisnexis.com/practicear...dfs/web358.pdf

JAJ

It would have been wrong to have made the argument. U.S. Embassies are not considered to be U.S. territory. They are foreign territory under a sovereign immunity. Not the same thing. (this is true for embassies generally).