How do they know that I have left the US in my situation!!?
After holidaying in Mexico I entered the US by air while on transit to Australia on January 30th this year, in order to enter the US I used my Italian passport under the VWP (therefore there was no I-94 form) but on my flight out of the US (Los Angles to Sydney) I was forced by airline representatives while at the self check-in kiosk to check into the flight with my Australian passport (i.e. different passport to which I entered the US).
This means the following: I entered the US on an Italian passport under the VWP and left the US the same day on an Australian passport that hadn't at the time been registered under the VWP. Both the passports have exactly the same biographical information in regards to full name, DOB, gender etc except of course they have different passport numbers, date of expiry and citizenship etc. QUESTION: Has my departure from the US been correctly recorded with CBP/US Government since I used two different passports? Do they know that the Italian that entered the US in transit was the same person as the Australian that left later that day? (my flight from the US to Australia was on my return ticket so it should have the same PNR locator as the flight I originally entered the US) I understand that CPB matches manifests in order to record passenger departures but how would they do that in my case? Some extra information: I have recently applied for an ESTA (VWP) for my Australian passport and it was approved with a 'travel authorised' message does this indicate anything at all? |
Re: How do they know that I have left the US in my situation!!?
Originally Posted by mooks123
(Post 9767877)
QUESTION: Has my departure from the US been correctly recorded with CBP/US Government since I used two different passports?
Some extra information: I have recently applied for an ESTA (VWP) for my Australian passport and it was approved with a 'travel authorised' message does this indicate anything at all? Rene |
Re: How do they know that I have left the US in my situation!!?
Thanks for your answer... are you sure they would be able to recognise me as the italian and me as the australian as the same person just from matching the manifests? or would they see two different people with the same DOB, full name etc. i.e. an Italian maybe still in the US and an Australian with no entry record who departed the US?
I have done some research and the only thing I can see is that they could maybe match me based on my PRN locator as I guess it would have been the same as my first arrival flight as my flight out of the US was the return flight on the same eticket with the same airline made through one booking. |
Re: How do they know that I have left the US in my situation!!?
He sees you when you're arriving
He knows when you depart He knows if you've been bad or good So be good for goodness sake! O! You better watch out! You better not cry Better not pout I'm telling you why Immigration Man is coming to town |
Re: How do they know that I have left the US in my situation!!?
what's with the rhyme? haha
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Re: How do they know that I have left the US in my situation!!?
Originally Posted by mooks123
(Post 9767988)
what's with the rhyme? haha
Ian |
Re: How do they know that I have left the US in my situation!!?
Originally Posted by mooks123
(Post 9767988)
what's with the rhyme? haha
Rene |
Re: How do they know that I have left the US in my situation!!?
Originally Posted by ian-mstm
(Post 9768034)
You entered legally... you left legally. No matter how convoluted you try to make it, the rest is irrelevant... it's a non-issue.
Ian |
Re: How do they know that I have left the US in my situation!!?
Originally Posted by GeoffM
(Post 9768219)
Seems a perfectly reasonable question to me.
Ian |
Re: How do they know that I have left the US in my situation!!?
Originally Posted by ian-mstm
(Post 9768252)
I agree... and if anyone questions it, the flight manifest proves he left. He entered legally, and he left legally.
We always (correctly) advise people who have had problems when using one passport that their problems will not go away if they just attempt to use a different passport - they are the same person, just using a different passport doesn't change that and they should assume that CBP will know that they are the same person - for them that is the "worst case" scenario and they should expect it to be what happens. This is good advice, but the OP's situation is different - he *should* assume what is the "worst case" for his situation - which is that there is no record of the "Italian" having left the US because the departure record for the "Australian" did not get matched up with the "Italian". I think that he should definitely carry both passports with him in future and, since he now has ESTA approval with his Australian passport it might be a good idea to use that passport for future visits to the US. |
Re: How do they know that I have left the US in my situation!!?
Do folks on ESTA still get a little tab from the I-94 attached to passport these days?
Previously, folks could send that tab to where ever the address was to send it to show they had left the US. Just wondering if they don't get the passport tab, what they would do now? |
Re: How do they know that I have left the US in my situation!!?
No - the green I-94W has been phased out (for air travellers, at least, not sure about people who enter at a land border.
I also wonder about people who arrive by air, in possession of a return ticket as required, but who for some reason actually depart the US by a land border and then return to their country of origin without reentering the US. Say someone comes to the US with on a round trip ticket from London to New York but changes their plans and decides to drive up to Toronto and return to London direct from there - it seems that there would be no record of their departure. |
Re: How do they know that I have left the US in my situation!!?
Originally Posted by md95065
(Post 9768321)
in that case, he could easily be denied entry.
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Re: How do they know that I have left the US in my situation!!?
Originally Posted by crg
(Post 9768398)
The fact that they don't even bother with the green form anymore at the airport would seem to indicate that they are confident in getting the information through other means.
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Re: How do they know that I have left the US in my situation!!?
Albeit involving completely different circumstances, I'm going to give the same advice as I mentioned in this thread. If for whatever reason anyone ever needs to try and prove that they left the USA when they claim they did, they should keep the following evidence:
In the OPs case, they are also well advised to continue travelling with both the Italian and Australian passports. |
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