Gay marriage and marriage based visa's
Mar 17th 2005, 10:26 pm
#46
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Re: Gay marriage and marriage based visa's
"crg14624" <member20421@british_expats.com> wrote in message
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>> entry to the US under a marriage based visa is definitely a privelige
>> rather than a right. You don't have to go that far back in time to
>> when you weren't allowed in for being Chinese and even less further
>> back if you wished to have an interracial marriage, the progression of
>> civil rights is very recent, so 1992 is quite a long way back really.
>> Still, I think the law will change in a decade, maybe under the
>> democrats, as people become more understanding of the difficulties
>> same sex couples face.
>> The fact that a lot of people can make a lot of money out of it could
>> well prove to be useful.
>> Canada does deny special needs children entry if they prove a drain on
>> their healthcare, but I think a lot of countries are the same, the US
>> doesn't provide medicaid for any immigrant.
> The US doesn't provide medicaid for immigrants? That's a myth, and not
> true at all. Anyone can drop by an emergency room and be seen.
> Medicaid may be a federal program, but the states administer it, and
> spend the money on legal or illegal immigrants. Noone is turned away.
> The hospitals will stuff a medicaid application in anyone's face that
> walks in the door no matter what their status is.
> The democrats are already trying to get these gains for the left leaning
> people in the U.S. It doesn't seem like a winning strategy for them so
> far. They lost both houses of Congress, the Whitehouse, and are
> clinging to the supreme court. The upper-middle class is migrating out
> of California. The democrats lost the last election during an unpopular
> war. They're in trouble.
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Due to the seeming 'open border' with Mexico, California has been invaded by
millions of illegal aliens. These illegal aliens are bankrupting
California's health care system.
news:[email protected] m...
>> entry to the US under a marriage based visa is definitely a privelige
>> rather than a right. You don't have to go that far back in time to
>> when you weren't allowed in for being Chinese and even less further
>> back if you wished to have an interracial marriage, the progression of
>> civil rights is very recent, so 1992 is quite a long way back really.
>> Still, I think the law will change in a decade, maybe under the
>> democrats, as people become more understanding of the difficulties
>> same sex couples face.
>> The fact that a lot of people can make a lot of money out of it could
>> well prove to be useful.
>> Canada does deny special needs children entry if they prove a drain on
>> their healthcare, but I think a lot of countries are the same, the US
>> doesn't provide medicaid for any immigrant.
> The US doesn't provide medicaid for immigrants? That's a myth, and not
> true at all. Anyone can drop by an emergency room and be seen.
> Medicaid may be a federal program, but the states administer it, and
> spend the money on legal or illegal immigrants. Noone is turned away.
> The hospitals will stuff a medicaid application in anyone's face that
> walks in the door no matter what their status is.
> The democrats are already trying to get these gains for the left leaning
> people in the U.S. It doesn't seem like a winning strategy for them so
> far. They lost both houses of Congress, the Whitehouse, and are
> clinging to the supreme court. The upper-middle class is migrating out
> of California. The democrats lost the last election during an unpopular
> war. They're in trouble.
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Due to the seeming 'open border' with Mexico, California has been invaded by
millions of illegal aliens. These illegal aliens are bankrupting
California's health care system.
Mar 17th 2005, 10:30 pm
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Re: Gay marriage and marriage based visa's
"Rete" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> this info was taken from http://www.aclu.org
>> The U.S. lags behind other democracies in extending fair treatment in
>> immigration policies to gay couples.
>> Thirteen other countries currently allow the gay partners of their
>> citizens to become permanent residents, including Australia, Belgium,
>> Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Iceland, the Netherlands, New
>> Zealand, Norway, South Africa, Sweden and the United Kingdom. But
>> immigration law here in the United States is so bad that San Francisco
>> took the dramatic step of proclaiming itself a "City of Refuge" for
>> dual-passport gay couples. In the spring of 2000, city supervisors
>> voted to instruct city workers not to alert immigration officials to
>> partnered gay and lesbian foreigners living on expired visas. While
>> San Francisco has taken a compassionate approach, U.S. immigration law
>> must be changed to make such subterfuge unnecessary.
>> ,
>> Urge Congress to Allow Gay Couples to Stay in Committed Relationships
>> Imagine you have fallen in love and want to spend the rest of your
>> life with a person from a foreign country. If you are a heterosexual
>> American, your partner can gain permanent resident status -- and
>> eventually citizenship -- by marrying you. But if you are gay or
>> lesbian, you cannot sponsor your partner for citizenship because
>> immigration laws do not recognize same-sex couples.
>> In fact, under no circumstances can a U.S. citizen use a committed
>> relationship as a basis for sponsoring a partner of the same sex from
>> a foreign country, no matter how long the couple has been together or
>> how committed their relationship. "Dual passport" gay or lesbian
>> couples must either go to another country to live together or live
>> apart and struggle to maintain their relationships through expensive
>> phone calls and infrequent visits. Very wealthy gays and lesbians and
>> those with specialized job skills can petition the INS for legal
>> resident status, just like heterosexual individuals. But, unlike with
>> heterosexual couples, the most important person in the prospective
>> immigrant's life doesn't count.
>> Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-NY, introduced legislation in the last Congress
>> to remedy this problem. The "Permanent Partner Immigration Act," H.R.
>> 690 would add the term "permanent partner" to sections of immigration
>> law that provide immigration rights to legally married couples. By
>> doing so, the bill would allow gay or lesbian citizens to sponsor
>> their partners to become U.S. residents without relying on state or
>> federal recognition of gay marriage.
>> 13 other countries have gay immigration........
> Personally, I think as an American that the American Civil Liberties
> Union is the biggest racist organization in the country. Just as
> the NAACP is.
You're quite right about that. Anything written by the ACLU always has a
pro-communist slant as well. People must remember the ACLU is the
organisation defending NAMBLA in America (the North American Man-Boy Love
Association). This should be all anyone needs to know about the ACLU.
> And please, do not misunderstand me. I'm all for marriage being allowed
> and legalized for same sex partners. If a couple loves each other
> enough to want to live together in a union where they will share their
> emotional, physical, financial and social lives, then they should be
> allowed to. If someone does not agree with that, then they are free NOT
> to marry someone of the same sex that they are in love with ;-)
> However, until the US Federal and State Governments can once again
> separate church from state this is not going to happen. It comes to the
> church saying this type of marriage is morally wrong and the politicans
> staying alongside those that "principles" that sway their voters.
> --
> I'm not an attorney. This disclaimer is valid in NYS!
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
news:[email protected] m...
>> this info was taken from http://www.aclu.org
>> The U.S. lags behind other democracies in extending fair treatment in
>> immigration policies to gay couples.
>> Thirteen other countries currently allow the gay partners of their
>> citizens to become permanent residents, including Australia, Belgium,
>> Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Iceland, the Netherlands, New
>> Zealand, Norway, South Africa, Sweden and the United Kingdom. But
>> immigration law here in the United States is so bad that San Francisco
>> took the dramatic step of proclaiming itself a "City of Refuge" for
>> dual-passport gay couples. In the spring of 2000, city supervisors
>> voted to instruct city workers not to alert immigration officials to
>> partnered gay and lesbian foreigners living on expired visas. While
>> San Francisco has taken a compassionate approach, U.S. immigration law
>> must be changed to make such subterfuge unnecessary.
>> ,
>> Urge Congress to Allow Gay Couples to Stay in Committed Relationships
>> Imagine you have fallen in love and want to spend the rest of your
>> life with a person from a foreign country. If you are a heterosexual
>> American, your partner can gain permanent resident status -- and
>> eventually citizenship -- by marrying you. But if you are gay or
>> lesbian, you cannot sponsor your partner for citizenship because
>> immigration laws do not recognize same-sex couples.
>> In fact, under no circumstances can a U.S. citizen use a committed
>> relationship as a basis for sponsoring a partner of the same sex from
>> a foreign country, no matter how long the couple has been together or
>> how committed their relationship. "Dual passport" gay or lesbian
>> couples must either go to another country to live together or live
>> apart and struggle to maintain their relationships through expensive
>> phone calls and infrequent visits. Very wealthy gays and lesbians and
>> those with specialized job skills can petition the INS for legal
>> resident status, just like heterosexual individuals. But, unlike with
>> heterosexual couples, the most important person in the prospective
>> immigrant's life doesn't count.
>> Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-NY, introduced legislation in the last Congress
>> to remedy this problem. The "Permanent Partner Immigration Act," H.R.
>> 690 would add the term "permanent partner" to sections of immigration
>> law that provide immigration rights to legally married couples. By
>> doing so, the bill would allow gay or lesbian citizens to sponsor
>> their partners to become U.S. residents without relying on state or
>> federal recognition of gay marriage.
>> 13 other countries have gay immigration........
> Personally, I think as an American that the American Civil Liberties
> Union is the biggest racist organization in the country. Just as
> the NAACP is.
You're quite right about that. Anything written by the ACLU always has a
pro-communist slant as well. People must remember the ACLU is the
organisation defending NAMBLA in America (the North American Man-Boy Love
Association). This should be all anyone needs to know about the ACLU.
> And please, do not misunderstand me. I'm all for marriage being allowed
> and legalized for same sex partners. If a couple loves each other
> enough to want to live together in a union where they will share their
> emotional, physical, financial and social lives, then they should be
> allowed to. If someone does not agree with that, then they are free NOT
> to marry someone of the same sex that they are in love with ;-)
> However, until the US Federal and State Governments can once again
> separate church from state this is not going to happen. It comes to the
> church saying this type of marriage is morally wrong and the politicans
> staying alongside those that "principles" that sway their voters.
> --
> I'm not an attorney. This disclaimer is valid in NYS!
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Mar 18th 2005, 12:54 am
#48
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Joined: Jul 2004
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 496
Re: Gay marriage and marriage based visa's
Originally Posted by crg14624
Can you name one person who has been sued because they signed an affadavit of support? They aren't worth the paper they are printed on. Can you name one person ordered deported because they landed on hard times and needed to utilize public assistance for food or medicine? I contend that it is so rare to be considered a ludicrous concept. The states often implement many of these social and welfare programs and the states don't verify immigration status very well. When was the last time a child was turned away from a public school because they didn't have lawful status to be in the US?
The myth is that they can't and aren't using these publicly funded assistance programs, public schools, and medical treatment. Tourists come on B2 visas to have children here for free. Check out birthinusa.com. If you could read Korean, you'd see that it's a how-to web site to come to the US and use the free medical to have their baby. Who do you think is paying for these births?
The myth is that they can't and aren't using these publicly funded assistance programs, public schools, and medical treatment. Tourists come on B2 visas to have children here for free. Check out birthinusa.com. If you could read Korean, you'd see that it's a how-to web site to come to the US and use the free medical to have their baby. Who do you think is paying for these births?
I don't read Korean, so I don't understand what that website is for. The problem is the same for a lot of countries, if you were american and you went to england and needed emergency hospital treatment you could wander into any hospital or A&E and get it free.
If you've ever been through American airports as a tourist they ask you a hell of a lot of questions, if you looked like you were about to give birth they would have something to say. Added to this air travel is extremely unsafe for pregnant women after a certain time.
Mar 18th 2005, 1:00 am
#49
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Posts: 496
Re: Gay marriage and marriage based visa's
Originally Posted by Brit Am
"Rete" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] m...
>> this info was taken from http://www.aclu.org
>> The U.S. lags behind other democracies in extending fair treatment in
>> immigration policies to gay couples.
>> Thirteen other countries currently allow the gay partners of their
>> citizens to become permanent residents, including Australia, Belgium,
>> Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Iceland, the Netherlands, New
>> Zealand, Norway, South Africa, Sweden and the United Kingdom. But
>> immigration law here in the United States is so bad that San Francisco
>> took the dramatic step of proclaiming itself a "City of Refuge" for
>> dual-passport gay couples. In the spring of 2000, city supervisors
>> voted to instruct city workers not to alert immigration officials to
>> partnered gay and lesbian foreigners living on expired visas. While
>> San Francisco has taken a compassionate approach, U.S. immigration law
>> must be changed to make such subterfuge unnecessary.
>> ,
>> Urge Congress to Allow Gay Couples to Stay in Committed Relationships
>> Imagine you have fallen in love and want to spend the rest of your
>> life with a person from a foreign country. If you are a heterosexual
>> American, your partner can gain permanent resident status -- and
>> eventually citizenship -- by marrying you. But if you are gay or
>> lesbian, you cannot sponsor your partner for citizenship because
>> immigration laws do not recognize same-sex couples.
>> In fact, under no circumstances can a U.S. citizen use a committed
>> relationship as a basis for sponsoring a partner of the same sex from
>> a foreign country, no matter how long the couple has been together or
>> how committed their relationship. "Dual passport" gay or lesbian
>> couples must either go to another country to live together or live
>> apart and struggle to maintain their relationships through expensive
>> phone calls and infrequent visits. Very wealthy gays and lesbians and
>> those with specialized job skills can petition the INS for legal
>> resident status, just like heterosexual individuals. But, unlike with
>> heterosexual couples, the most important person in the prospective
>> immigrant's life doesn't count.
>> Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-NY, introduced legislation in the last Congress
>> to remedy this problem. The "Permanent Partner Immigration Act," H.R.
>> 690 would add the term "permanent partner" to sections of immigration
>> law that provide immigration rights to legally married couples. By
>> doing so, the bill would allow gay or lesbian citizens to sponsor
>> their partners to become U.S. residents without relying on state or
>> federal recognition of gay marriage.
>> 13 other countries have gay immigration........
> Personally, I think as an American that the American Civil Liberties
> Union is the biggest racist organization in the country. Just as
> the NAACP is.
You're quite right about that. Anything written by the ACLU always has a
pro-communist slant as well. People must remember the ACLU is the
organisation defending NAMBLA in America (the North American Man-Boy Love
Association). This should be all anyone needs to know about the ACLU.
> And please, do not misunderstand me. I'm all for marriage being allowed
> and legalized for same sex partners. If a couple loves each other
> enough to want to live together in a union where they will share their
> emotional, physical, financial and social lives, then they should be
> allowed to. If someone does not agree with that, then they are free NOT
> to marry someone of the same sex that they are in love with ;-)
> However, until the US Federal and State Governments can once again
> separate church from state this is not going to happen. It comes to the
> church saying this type of marriage is morally wrong and the politicans
> staying alongside those that "principles" that sway their voters.
> --
> I'm not an attorney. This disclaimer is valid in NYS!
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
news:[email protected] m...
>> this info was taken from http://www.aclu.org
>> The U.S. lags behind other democracies in extending fair treatment in
>> immigration policies to gay couples.
>> Thirteen other countries currently allow the gay partners of their
>> citizens to become permanent residents, including Australia, Belgium,
>> Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Iceland, the Netherlands, New
>> Zealand, Norway, South Africa, Sweden and the United Kingdom. But
>> immigration law here in the United States is so bad that San Francisco
>> took the dramatic step of proclaiming itself a "City of Refuge" for
>> dual-passport gay couples. In the spring of 2000, city supervisors
>> voted to instruct city workers not to alert immigration officials to
>> partnered gay and lesbian foreigners living on expired visas. While
>> San Francisco has taken a compassionate approach, U.S. immigration law
>> must be changed to make such subterfuge unnecessary.
>> ,
>> Urge Congress to Allow Gay Couples to Stay in Committed Relationships
>> Imagine you have fallen in love and want to spend the rest of your
>> life with a person from a foreign country. If you are a heterosexual
>> American, your partner can gain permanent resident status -- and
>> eventually citizenship -- by marrying you. But if you are gay or
>> lesbian, you cannot sponsor your partner for citizenship because
>> immigration laws do not recognize same-sex couples.
>> In fact, under no circumstances can a U.S. citizen use a committed
>> relationship as a basis for sponsoring a partner of the same sex from
>> a foreign country, no matter how long the couple has been together or
>> how committed their relationship. "Dual passport" gay or lesbian
>> couples must either go to another country to live together or live
>> apart and struggle to maintain their relationships through expensive
>> phone calls and infrequent visits. Very wealthy gays and lesbians and
>> those with specialized job skills can petition the INS for legal
>> resident status, just like heterosexual individuals. But, unlike with
>> heterosexual couples, the most important person in the prospective
>> immigrant's life doesn't count.
>> Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-NY, introduced legislation in the last Congress
>> to remedy this problem. The "Permanent Partner Immigration Act," H.R.
>> 690 would add the term "permanent partner" to sections of immigration
>> law that provide immigration rights to legally married couples. By
>> doing so, the bill would allow gay or lesbian citizens to sponsor
>> their partners to become U.S. residents without relying on state or
>> federal recognition of gay marriage.
>> 13 other countries have gay immigration........
> Personally, I think as an American that the American Civil Liberties
> Union is the biggest racist organization in the country. Just as
> the NAACP is.
You're quite right about that. Anything written by the ACLU always has a
pro-communist slant as well. People must remember the ACLU is the
organisation defending NAMBLA in America (the North American Man-Boy Love
Association). This should be all anyone needs to know about the ACLU.
> And please, do not misunderstand me. I'm all for marriage being allowed
> and legalized for same sex partners. If a couple loves each other
> enough to want to live together in a union where they will share their
> emotional, physical, financial and social lives, then they should be
> allowed to. If someone does not agree with that, then they are free NOT
> to marry someone of the same sex that they are in love with ;-)
> However, until the US Federal and State Governments can once again
> separate church from state this is not going to happen. It comes to the
> church saying this type of marriage is morally wrong and the politicans
> staying alongside those that "principles" that sway their voters.
> --
> I'm not an attorney. This disclaimer is valid in NYS!
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
illegal immigrants are taking over the country and are responsible for 95% of the crime?
The ACLU is sponsored by a peadophile organization?
okay posters, This thread was actually started about a completely different issue. I refuse to debate such rubbish. If you think the ACLU are communist peadophiles then I really can't respect your views or rely on the information you've given.
As for illegal immigrants, must EVERY thread turn into a discussion.
Mods, please close this thread.
Mar 18th 2005, 1:20 am
#50
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Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 7,598
Re: Gay marriage and marriage based visa's
Originally Posted by fatman
I don't know anybody who has been sued for anything period. Tourists who come here on B2 visas to have kids are breaking every rule in the book, they will get barred for 10 years etc if found out. At the end of the day, my wife has signed many legal documents that makes her responsible for me. If I claim medicaid or food stamps they ask the money back from her, if she doesn't pay then I get booted out of the country. It's very simple, very clear and it is enforced. There is a lot of crap about immigrants (especially illegal ones) coming here and stealing american benefits. I pay my taxes the same as everyone else, I don't have the right to vote and I don't have access to any social welfare programs until I become a naturalized citizen. The system is set up like this to assuage people fears about immigrants coming to America to steal jobs, taxes etc.
I don't read Korean, so I don't understand what that website is for. The problem is the same for a lot of countries, if you were american and you went to england and needed emergency hospital treatment you could wander into any hospital or A&E and get it free.
If you've ever been through American airports as a tourist they ask you a hell of a lot of questions, if you looked like you were about to give birth they would have something to say. Added to this air travel is extremely unsafe for pregnant women after a certain time.
I don't read Korean, so I don't understand what that website is for. The problem is the same for a lot of countries, if you were american and you went to england and needed emergency hospital treatment you could wander into any hospital or A&E and get it free.
If you've ever been through American airports as a tourist they ask you a hell of a lot of questions, if you looked like you were about to give birth they would have something to say. Added to this air travel is extremely unsafe for pregnant women after a certain time.
I'm sorry, but if you believe that then you better keep an eye out for the Easter Bunny next week. Show me someone who has been booted out for it? Why aren't they on this message board? They must be hiding.
"The system is set up like this to assuage people fears about immigrants coming to America to steal jobs, taxes etc."
It's all smoke and mirrors. One out of six students in the California's public school system have illegal parents. I don't see anyone booting them out of anything.
