DV Lottery
Apr 13th 2005, 6:27 am
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DV Lottery
Can someone tell me if the UK is due to be reinstated in the DV process soon? We have been out since 2001 (I think) and the 5 year ban must be coming to an end soon surely?
Apr 13th 2005, 12:11 pm
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Re: DV Lottery
Originally Posted by surlygurlee
Can someone tell me if the UK is due to be reinstated in the DV process soon? We have been out since 2001 (I think) and the 5 year ban must be coming to an end soon surely?
Apr 13th 2005, 1:57 pm
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Re: DV Lottery
surlygurlee wrote:
> Can someone tell me if the UK is due to be reinstated in the DV process
> soon? We have been out since 2001 (I think) and the 5 year ban must be
> coming to an end soon surely?
>
What 5 year ban? The UK is not in the DV lottery simply because too many
people from the UK immigrate by other means. It's not called the
"diversity visa" lottery for nothing
> Can someone tell me if the UK is due to be reinstated in the DV process
> soon? We have been out since 2001 (I think) and the 5 year ban must be
> coming to an end soon surely?
>
What 5 year ban? The UK is not in the DV lottery simply because too many
people from the UK immigrate by other means. It's not called the
"diversity visa" lottery for nothing
Apr 13th 2005, 3:03 pm
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LD Jones:
> What 5 year ban? The UK is not in the DV lottery simply because too
many
> people from the UK immigrate by other means. It's not called the
> "diversity visa" lottery for nothing
What "other means would those be? From what I can see it's no easier
for a Briton to emigrate to the States than for anyone else in Europe,
yet only UK nationals are ineligible for the DV lottery.
JC
> What 5 year ban? The UK is not in the DV lottery simply because too
many
> people from the UK immigrate by other means. It's not called the
> "diversity visa" lottery for nothing
What "other means would those be? From what I can see it's no easier
for a Briton to emigrate to the States than for anyone else in Europe,
yet only UK nationals are ineligible for the DV lottery.
JC
Apr 13th 2005, 3:13 pm
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Jonas Cord wrote on 4/13/2005 08:03:
> LD Jones:
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>>What 5 year ban? The UK is not in the DV lottery simply because too
>
> many
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>>people from the UK immigrate by other means. It's not called the
>>"diversity visa" lottery for nothing
>
>
> What "other means would those be? From what I can see it's no easier
Family-based immigration, for the most part.
The main difference to the rest of Europe is that Brits speak the same
language as Americans...
-Joe
> LD Jones:
>
>
>>What 5 year ban? The UK is not in the DV lottery simply because too
>
> many
>
>>people from the UK immigrate by other means. It's not called the
>>"diversity visa" lottery for nothing
>
>
> What "other means would those be? From what I can see it's no easier
Family-based immigration, for the most part.
The main difference to the rest of Europe is that Brits speak the same
language as Americans...
-Joe
Apr 13th 2005, 3:22 pm
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Joe Feise wrote:
> Family-based immigration, for the most part.
The Irish have many more connections than most Brits, yet they are not
excluded from the lottery...
> Family-based immigration, for the most part.
The Irish have many more connections than most Brits, yet they are not
excluded from the lottery...
Apr 13th 2005, 6:23 pm
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Jonas Cord wrote on 4/13/2005 8:22:
> Joe Feise wrote:
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>>Family-based immigration, for the most part.
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> The Irish have many more connections than most Brits
How do you know? Any statistics?
Besides, it does *not* matter who has more connections, but who immigrates.
You can find the immigration statistics on the USCIS website.
In any case, it is an irrelevant discussion. The US government decides which
country can participate, based on their immigration statistics. If you feel
excluded, take it up with the US government.
-Joe
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> Joe Feise wrote:
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>>Family-based immigration, for the most part.
>
>
> The Irish have many more connections than most Brits
How do you know? Any statistics?
Besides, it does *not* matter who has more connections, but who immigrates.
You can find the immigration statistics on the USCIS website.
In any case, it is an irrelevant discussion. The US government decides which
country can participate, based on their immigration statistics. If you feel
excluded, take it up with the US government.
-Joe
--
I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
Apr 13th 2005, 9:03 pm
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"Jonas Cord" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> LD Jones:
> > What 5 year ban? The UK is not in the DV lottery simply because too
> many
> > people from the UK immigrate by other means. It's not called the
> > "diversity visa" lottery for nothing
> What "other means would those be? From what I can see it's no easier
> for a Briton to emigrate to the States than for anyone else in Europe,
> yet only UK nationals are ineligible for the DV lottery.
Other means could be family-based or employment-based for the most part.
Maybe it's just as easy for other Europeans to emigrate, but I don't really
see the relevance of that. If 50,000 people emigrated from a country in the
past five years, that country is excluded from the Diversity Visa program.
The means by which they emigrated is irrelevant.
Lucy
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> LD Jones:
> > What 5 year ban? The UK is not in the DV lottery simply because too
> many
> > people from the UK immigrate by other means. It's not called the
> > "diversity visa" lottery for nothing
> What "other means would those be? From what I can see it's no easier
> for a Briton to emigrate to the States than for anyone else in Europe,
> yet only UK nationals are ineligible for the DV lottery.
Other means could be family-based or employment-based for the most part.
Maybe it's just as easy for other Europeans to emigrate, but I don't really
see the relevance of that. If 50,000 people emigrated from a country in the
past five years, that country is excluded from the Diversity Visa program.
The means by which they emigrated is irrelevant.
Lucy
Apr 13th 2005, 9:14 pm
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John Feise wrote:
> How do you know? Any statistics?
Where are your statistics about UK immigration to the US?
> Besides, it does *not* matter who has more connections, but who
immigrates.
It doesn't really... all that matters, as you say, is whom the US
government decides can participate, and their decision has nothing to
do with immigration. Britons are simply not "diverse" enough.
> If you feel excluded, take it up with the US government.
No need for that ... my future wife is a US citizen :)
JC
> How do you know? Any statistics?
Where are your statistics about UK immigration to the US?
> Besides, it does *not* matter who has more connections, but who
immigrates.
It doesn't really... all that matters, as you say, is whom the US
government decides can participate, and their decision has nothing to
do with immigration. Britons are simply not "diverse" enough.
> If you feel excluded, take it up with the US government.
No need for that ... my future wife is a US citizen :)
JC
Apr 13th 2005, 9:40 pm
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Jonas Cord wrote on 4/13/2005 14:14:
> John Feise wrote:
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>>How do you know? Any statistics?
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> Where are your statistics about UK immigration to the US?
As I said in my previous post, all on the USCIS website...
http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/sta...book/index.htm
Now, again, where are your statistics???
-Joe
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> John Feise wrote:
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>>How do you know? Any statistics?
>
>
> Where are your statistics about UK immigration to the US?
As I said in my previous post, all on the USCIS website...
http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/sta...book/index.htm
Now, again, where are your statistics???
-Joe
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For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
Apr 13th 2005, 11:46 pm
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Re: DV Lottery
There was an article in the paper at the weekend that 30 odd million USC's claim Irish ancestery.
10 times the population of Ireland
10 times the population of Great Britain do not claim British ancestery
Lies, damned lies and ........................statistics
10 times the population of Ireland
10 times the population of Great Britain do not claim British ancestery
Lies, damned lies and ........................statistics
Apr 14th 2005, 1:13 am
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Re: DV Lottery
Originally Posted by Boiler
There was an article in the paper at the weekend that 30 odd million USC's claim Irish ancestery.
10 times the population of Ireland
10 times the population of Great Britain do not claim British ancestery
Lies, damned lies and ........................statistics
10 times the population of Ireland
10 times the population of Great Britain do not claim British ancestery
Lies, damned lies and ........................statistics
If over the last 5 years 49,999 Irish immigrated to the US then Ireland still qualifies for the DV.
If over the last 5 years 50,001 British immigrate to the US then Britain no longer qualifies for the DV for that year.
How those numbers are made up, AOS, Marriage, Family does not matter.
Scott
Apr 14th 2005, 1:41 am
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Re: DV Lottery
Originally Posted by scotta
All this is irrelevant!
If over the last 5 years 49,999 Irish immigrated to the US then Ireland still qualifies for the DV.
If over the last 5 years 50,001 British immigrate to the US then Britain no longer qualifies for the DV for that year.
How those numbers are made up, AOS, Marriage, Family does not matter.
Scott
If over the last 5 years 49,999 Irish immigrated to the US then Ireland still qualifies for the DV.
If over the last 5 years 50,001 British immigrate to the US then Britain no longer qualifies for the DV for that year.
How those numbers are made up, AOS, Marriage, Family does not matter.
Scott
"The Irish have many more connections than most Brits
How do you know? Any statistics?
Besides, it does *not* matter who has more connections, but who immigrates"
How does it diversify the population to let more Irish in??? When 10% plus claim their lineage from Irish immigrants.
And its not just Britons, Isle of Man and Channel Islands get wrapped up as well and I am pretty sure that there have not been 50,000 immgrates from either of those 2 in the last 5 years, or possibly collectively.
PS I have absolutely nothing against Irish, North or South, participation. Or anybody elses.
Looks like you will be Ok if you are from Monaco, Gibralter, Lichenstein etc etc.
Apr 14th 2005, 2:46 am
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Boiler wrote on 04/13/05 16:46:
>
> There was an article in the paper at the weekend that 30 odd million
> USC's claim Irish ancestery.
So what? Did the article also say how many million claim English ancestry???
Of course, with marriage over centuries, lots of people have somebody
Irish (or English, or German, or Russian, or what-have-you) somewhere in
their ancestry. It is just meaningless.
If you go back far enough, everybody descended from somebody in Africa...
So, this is completely irrelevant.
-Joe
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For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
>
> There was an article in the paper at the weekend that 30 odd million
> USC's claim Irish ancestery.
So what? Did the article also say how many million claim English ancestry???
Of course, with marriage over centuries, lots of people have somebody
Irish (or English, or German, or Russian, or what-have-you) somewhere in
their ancestry. It is just meaningless.
If you go back far enough, everybody descended from somebody in Africa...
So, this is completely irrelevant.
-Joe
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I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
Apr 14th 2005, 2:52 am
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Boiler wrote on 04/13/05 18:41:
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> And its not just Britons, Isle of Man and Channel Islands get wrapped up
> as well and I am pretty sure that there have not been 50,000 immgrates
> from either of those 2 in the last 5 years, or possibly collectively.
While Isle of Man and Channel Islands have a special status, they are
still part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain (I think that's the
official name, but not being British I could be wrong.)
From the end of WW2 to Oct. 1990 Berlin (West) also had a special
status. Legally, it was not part of West Germany. It was occupied by the
Western Allies. Yet, the people living in Berlin were counted for US
immigration purposes under the German quota.
Such are the intricacies of international law...
-Joe
--
I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
>
> And its not just Britons, Isle of Man and Channel Islands get wrapped up
> as well and I am pretty sure that there have not been 50,000 immgrates
> from either of those 2 in the last 5 years, or possibly collectively.
While Isle of Man and Channel Islands have a special status, they are
still part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain (I think that's the
official name, but not being British I could be wrong.)
From the end of WW2 to Oct. 1990 Berlin (West) also had a special
status. Legally, it was not part of West Germany. It was occupied by the
Western Allies. Yet, the people living in Berlin were counted for US
immigration purposes under the German quota.
Such are the intricacies of international law...
-Joe
--
I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
