Does the VWP really benefit the traveller?
Feb 23rd 2010, 1:09 am
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Re: Does the VWP really benefit the traveller?
I love the US and have a lot of family there. It would be nice to make the journey with minimal concern of being turned away.
Feb 23rd 2010, 1:19 am
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Re: Does the VWP really benefit the traveller?
Boiler,
I have to contend that the potential pitfalls for the unsuspecting foreign/"alien" traveller at the US POE´s are considerably more numerous and onerous than is normally the case in other Western democracies.
The US is a wonderful country to visit and the Americans the most friendly and helpful people one could wish for, but increasing numbers of "ordinary" tourists no longer feel welcome in the US, due to the vexing complexities at the US POE´s and the attendant risks of being turned back and put on the next available flight home.
The near impossibility of adequately gauging that risk prior to actually flying to the US and presenting oneself at the POE is decidedly a growing factor behind the increasing reluctance of many "aliens" to visit the US these days.
I have to contend that the potential pitfalls for the unsuspecting foreign/"alien" traveller at the US POE´s are considerably more numerous and onerous than is normally the case in other Western democracies.
The US is a wonderful country to visit and the Americans the most friendly and helpful people one could wish for, but increasing numbers of "ordinary" tourists no longer feel welcome in the US, due to the vexing complexities at the US POE´s and the attendant risks of being turned back and put on the next available flight home.
The near impossibility of adequately gauging that risk prior to actually flying to the US and presenting oneself at the POE is decidedly a growing factor behind the increasing reluctance of many "aliens" to visit the US these days.
Feb 23rd 2010, 1:25 am
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Re: Does the VWP really benefit the traveller?
I have yet to see a genuine holidaymaker post on here who has had a problem.
I have seen Americans post who have had issues getting in to the UK, struck me as similar to the ones who had issues getting into the US.
It seems mainly in your head.
I have seen Americans post who have had issues getting in to the UK, struck me as similar to the ones who had issues getting into the US.
It seems mainly in your head.
Feb 23rd 2010, 1:29 am
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It isn't about being genuine or not, it's about balancing the national security of the US with enabling visitors to fully enjoy their trips.
Feb 23rd 2010, 1:41 am
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Re: Does the VWP really benefit the traveller?
I'm with Dean on this.
Quite right - you don't HAVE to go to the US.
But it is much harder it would seem to visit even as a genuine traveller if you fall outside a certain model - eg Family/ 2 weeks / Florida/Employed. Between contracts I am - Single/ 8 weeks/eg Nat Parks in Utah, drive from the east coast/Unemployed.
So for now I will take the easy route and holiday elsewhere. It's no big deal.
Feb 23rd 2010, 1:50 am
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I am a genuine traveler and have never had any issues going to the US! Because of some knowledge of the US immigration system I still wonder if I will be turned way at the border when I get there.
It isn't about being genuine or not, it's about balancing the national security of the US with enabling visitors to fully enjoy their trips.
It isn't about being genuine or not, it's about balancing the national security of the US with enabling visitors to fully enjoy their trips.
For those with a conservative music taste, look up Snoop Dog and his issues getting into the UK.
A friend of mine did get to the point where his B ran out and decided the issues of getting another was just too much.
Feb 23rd 2010, 2:04 am
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I have yet to see anyone post on here about being refused entry for national security reasons.
For those with a conservative music taste, look up Snoop Dog and his issues getting into the UK.
A friend of mine did get to the point where his B ran out and decided the issues of getting another was just too much.
For those with a conservative music taste, look up Snoop Dog and his issues getting into the UK.
A friend of mine did get to the point where his B ran out and decided the issues of getting another was just too much.
I appreciate that people have problems getting into the UK, but that just means that maybe the UK system could do with a review as well as the American one.
The point that I'm making here is that the VWP is being promoted as 'saving you the hassle of having to apply for a visa to visit the US'. Well, I already have to apply for a passport, so I can't see how applying for a visa instead would be any more of a pain if applied for well in advance.
Ultimately, the VWP offers a quick way to attract tourists to the US and an easy way to turn them away. Yes, it's up to the US to do this as any country and I fully respect that - but I also should be given as much advance warning as possible if I'm likely to be turned away at the border.
Feb 23rd 2010, 2:45 am
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Well, "I'm yet to see Bin Laden turned down on a VWP to confirm that it is really effective." Because you personally haven't seen something doesn't mean that it hasn't occurred at some point!
I appreciate that people have problems getting into the UK, but that just means that maybe the UK system could do with a review as well as the American one.
The point that I'm making here is that the VWP is being promoted as 'saving you the hassle of having to apply for a visa to visit the US'. Well, I already have to apply for a passport, so I can't see how applying for a visa instead would be any more of a pain if applied for well in advance.
Ultimately, the VWP offers a quick way to attract tourists to the US and an easy way to turn them away. Yes, it's up to the US to do this as any country and I fully respect that - but I also should be given as much advance warning as possible if I'm likely to be turned away at the border.
I appreciate that people have problems getting into the UK, but that just means that maybe the UK system could do with a review as well as the American one.
The point that I'm making here is that the VWP is being promoted as 'saving you the hassle of having to apply for a visa to visit the US'. Well, I already have to apply for a passport, so I can't see how applying for a visa instead would be any more of a pain if applied for well in advance.
Ultimately, the VWP offers a quick way to attract tourists to the US and an easy way to turn them away. Yes, it's up to the US to do this as any country and I fully respect that - but I also should be given as much advance warning as possible if I'm likely to be turned away at the border.
Feb 23rd 2010, 3:25 am
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Feb 23rd 2010, 3:57 am
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Re: Does the VWP really benefit the traveller?
So you want a Document that:
- Guarantees you entry
- For as long as you want
- To do what you want
One comes to mind.
- Guarantees you entry
- For as long as you want
- To do what you want
One comes to mind.
Feb 23rd 2010, 3:59 am
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Feb 23rd 2010, 4:04 am
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