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Do the INS knows how long Greencard holder is out of the US?

Old Sep 16th 2004, 4:30 pm
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Default Re: Do the INS knows how long Greencard holder is out of the US?

Originally Posted by L D Jones
matrix wrote:
    > "L D Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>doolaly17 wrote:
    >>>You have 1 year to leave the United States, then your g/c will be
    >>>taken away (unless there are exceptional circumstances, I beilve).
    >
    >
    >>this is not true in all cases. the greencard could be abandoned in as
    >>little as a day. it depends
    >
    >
    > I wish you could cite a section of the law concerning the possibility of
    > abandoning someone's LPR status in as little as a day!
    >
    >
I don't believe the time period is specifically mentioned in the
immigration law. my comment was based on posts from an immigration
lawyer in alt.visa.us.marriage-based. the point is that cases of
abandonment are not a simple matter of a certain number of months
outside the US, though they turn out to be

Whats very funny is that I asked the very same question within the last day and instead of receiving intelligent replies,I received a lot of abuse and insults[Plus a lot of misleading information from idiots, and you know who you are!] as someone who was trying to outfox the INS!.


The true matter of the fact is that no one here really knows for sure if the immigration man at the POE knows how long you have been out of the country.

I can tell you this though.
So Far,during 2004 I have been out of the US on three occasions,for 2-3 week visits,upon my arrival I was asked by three different immigration officers the same question,how long have you been out of the U.S.and I told him how long.At the same time they ask the question they swipe the green card.Does this swipeing tell them how long you have been gone?I dont think so,I think they purley rely on your answer for their information, which they then in turn log into their computer.


When you depart from the U.S airport the check in attendant looks at your passport,there is no stamp.

Other than the airlines supplying them with the date you left the US,how would they know how long you had been gone?when you enter the UK they simply just look at your passport[providing its a UK passport]it is not stamped,when you leave the UK airport it is not stamped.

It is a very interesting question,is it not.Do the INS know how long Green card holder is absent from U.S.

So,am I trying to out fox the INS,of course not,its just that some of us like to know how things work and the rest of you[and you know who you are]
like to sling the S##T with your cheap shots.

Good luck to the original person who started this thread.
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Old Sep 16th 2004, 5:21 pm
  #32  
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My personal feel is that as long as it is the airlines that are keying in
the information and NOT an INS official, INS does not really know. Airline
officials are busy enough trying to meet the increased work pressures to
really bother. I still have friends (2 months ago) that visit the US and
leave without the airline officials collecting back the I-94!!!

This is why INS/CIS is now having limited programs in some airports that
requires visitors (no mentioned of USC or Green Card holder) to key into a
system to inform INS that they are leaving. This system will print out a
coupon and perhaps they will have to turn this coupon over to some offiicial
as they leave. USC and Green Card Holders are excluded!!

But I would imagine that as the CIS starts implementing new checks, they
will eventually cover LPR and USC. I cannot understand why they just cannot
have a INS offiicial maning booths like we see in many foreign airports.




"Sidney" <member29070@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected] m...
    > > matrix wrote:
    > > > "L D Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > >>doolaly17 wrote:
    > > >>>You have 1 year to leave the United States, then your g/c will be
    > > >>>taken away (unless there are exceptional circumstances, I beilve).
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >>this is not true in all cases. the greencard could be abandoned in
    > > >>as
    > > >>little as a day. it depends
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > I wish you could cite a section of the law concerning the
    > > > possibility of
    > > > abandoning someone's LPR status in as little as a day!
    > > >
    > > >
    > > I don't believe the time period is specifically mentioned in the
    > > immigration law. my comment was based on posts from an immigration
    > > lawyer in alt.visa.us.marriage-based. the point is that cases of
    > > abandonment are not a simple matter of a certain number of months
    > > outside the US, though they turn out to be
    > Whats very funny is that I asked the very same question within the last
    > day and instead of receiving intelligent replies,I received a lot of
    > abuse and insults[Plus a lot of misleading information from idiots, and
    > you know who you are!] as someone who was trying to outfox the INS!.
    > The true matter of the fact is that no one here really knows for sure
    > if the immigration man at the POE knows how long you have been out of
    > the country.
    > I can tell you this though.
    > So Far,during 2004 I have been out of the US on three occasions,for 2-3
    > week visits,upon my arrival I was asked by three different immigration
    > officers the same question,how long have you been out of the U.S.and I
    > told him how long.At the same time they ask the question they swipe the
    > green card.Does this swipeing tell them how long you have been gone?I
    > dont think so,I think they purley rely on your answer for their
    > information, which they then in turn log into their computer.
    > When you depart from the U.S airport the check in attendant looks at
    > your passport,there is no stamp.
    > Other than the airlines supplying them with the date you left the US,how
    > would they know how long you had been gone?when you enter the UK they
    > simply just look at your passport[providing its a UK passport]it is not
    > stamped,when you leave the UK airport it is not stamped.
    > It is a very interesting question,is it not.Do the INS know how long
    > Green card holder is absent from U.S.
    > So,am I trying to out fox the INS,of course not,its just that some of us
    > like to know how things work and the rest of you[and you know who you
    > are]
    > like to sling the S##T with your cheap shots.
    > Good luck to the original person who started this thread.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
 
Old Sep 16th 2004, 6:59 pm
  #33  
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Grail wrote on 9/16/2004 22:21:

    > My personal feel is that as long as it is the airlines that are keying in
    > the information and NOT an INS official, INS does not really know. Airline
    > officials are busy enough trying to meet the increased work pressures to
    > really bother. I still have friends (2 months ago) that visit the US and
    > leave without the airline officials collecting back the I-94!!!

Doesn't matter. The airlines are transmitting the passenger manifests
electronically to CIS.
The disorganized CIS of course may currently not do anything with the
information, but they have it. And if they want, they can nail you if you
did something wrong (like LPRs only visiting once in a while...)

-Joe
 
Old Sep 17th 2004, 12:39 pm
  #34  
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"Grail" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > My personal feel is that as long as it is the airlines that are keying in
    > the information and NOT an INS official, INS does not really know.
Airline
    > officials are busy enough trying to meet the increased work pressures to
    > really bother. I still have friends (2 months ago) that visit the US and
    > leave without the airline officials collecting back the I-94!!!

I hope they're not interested in ever getting a Green Card.

    > This is why INS/CIS is now having limited programs in some airports that
    > requires visitors (no mentioned of USC or Green Card holder) to key into a
    > system to inform INS that they are leaving. This system will print out a
    > coupon and perhaps they will have to turn this coupon over to some
offiicial
    > as they leave. USC and Green Card Holders are excluded!!
    > But I would imagine that as the CIS starts implementing new checks, they
    > will eventually cover LPR and USC. I cannot understand why they just
cannot
    > have a INS offiicial maning booths like we see in many foreign airports.
    > "Sidney" <member29070@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected] m...
    > >
    > > > matrix wrote:
    > > > > "L D Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > >
    > > > >>doolaly17 wrote:
    > > > >>>You have 1 year to leave the United States, then your g/c will be
    > > > >>>taken away (unless there are exceptional circumstances, I beilve).
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >>this is not true in all cases. the greencard could be abandoned in
    > > > >>as
    > > > >>little as a day. it depends
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > I wish you could cite a section of the law concerning the
    > > > > possibility of
    > > > > abandoning someone's LPR status in as little as a day!
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > I don't believe the time period is specifically mentioned in the
    > > > immigration law. my comment was based on posts from an immigration
    > > > lawyer in alt.visa.us.marriage-based. the point is that cases of
    > > > abandonment are not a simple matter of a certain number of months
    > > > outside the US, though they turn out to be
    > >
    > > Whats very funny is that I asked the very same question within the last
    > > day and instead of receiving intelligent replies,I received a lot of
    > > abuse and insults[Plus a lot of misleading information from idiots, and
    > > you know who you are!] as someone who was trying to outfox the INS!.
    > >
    > >
    > > The true matter of the fact is that no one here really knows for sure
    > > if the immigration man at the POE knows how long you have been out of
    > > the country.
    > >
    > > I can tell you this though.
    > > So Far,during 2004 I have been out of the US on three occasions,for 2-3
    > > week visits,upon my arrival I was asked by three different immigration
    > > officers the same question,how long have you been out of the U.S.and I
    > > told him how long.At the same time they ask the question they swipe the
    > > green card.Does this swipeing tell them how long you have been gone?I
    > > dont think so,I think they purley rely on your answer for their
    > > information, which they then in turn log into their computer.
    > >
    > >
    > > When you depart from the U.S airport the check in attendant looks at
    > > your passport,there is no stamp.
    > >
    > > Other than the airlines supplying them with the date you left the US,how
    > > would they know how long you had been gone?when you enter the UK they
    > > simply just look at your passport[providing its a UK passport]it is not
    > > stamped,when you leave the UK airport it is not stamped.
    > >
    > > It is a very interesting question,is it not.Do the INS know how long
    > > Green card holder is absent from U.S.
    > >
    > > So,am I trying to out fox the INS,of course not,its just that some of us
    > > like to know how things work and the rest of you[and you know who you
    > > are]
    > > like to sling the S##T with your cheap shots.
    > >
    > > Good luck to the original person who started this thread.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
 
Old Oct 18th 2004, 10:38 am
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Default Re: Do the INS knows how long Greencard holder is out of the US?

I asked this question several months ago, but no one was able to provide plausible info.

Hopefully there are some new user who managed to get more info useful to other users. It would be great to get some more posts.
Thanks in advance.
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Old Oct 18th 2004, 2:06 pm
  #36  
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Default Re: Do the INS knows how long Greencard holder is out of the US?

Suggestions in the thread of leaving via Cananda by car and catching a
flight out of Canada would prevent airlines from reporting that you have
left. Very interesting.




"kazic" <member21412@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected] m...
    > > "Grail" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > My personal feel is that as long as it is the airlines that are
    > > > keying in
    > > > the information and NOT an INS official, INS does not really know.
    > > Airline
    > > > officials are busy enough trying to meet the increased work
    > > > pressures to
    > > > really bother. I still have friends (2 months ago) that visit the
    > > > US and
    > > > leave without the airline officials collecting back the I-94!!!
    > >
    > > I hope they're not interested in ever getting a Green Card.
    > >
    > > > This is why INS/CIS is now having limited programs in some airports
    > > > that
    > > > requires visitors (no mentioned of USC or Green Card holder) to key
    > > > into a
    > > > system to inform INS that they are leaving. This system will print
    > > > out a
    > > > coupon and perhaps they will have to turn this coupon over to some
    > > offiicial
    > > > as they leave. USC and Green Card Holders are excluded!!
    > > > But I would imagine that as the CIS starts implementing new
    > > > checks, they
    > > > will eventually cover LPR and USC. I cannot understand why
    > > > they just
    > > cannot
    > > > have a INS offiicial maning booths like we see in many foreign
    > > > airports.
    > > > "Sidney" <member29070@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected] m...
    > > > >
    > > > > > matrix wrote:
    > > > > > > "L D Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >>doolaly17 wrote:
    > > > > > >>>You have 1 year to leave the United States, then your g/c
    > > > > > >>>will be
    > > > > > >>>taken away (unless there are exceptional circumstances, I
    > > > > > >>>beilve).
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >>this is not true in all cases. the greencard could be
    > > > > > >>abandoned in
    > > > > > >>as
    > > > > > >>little as a day. it depends
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > I wish you could cite a section of the law concerning the
    > > > > > > possibility of
    > > > > > > abandoning someone's LPR status in as little as a day!
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > I don't believe the time period is specifically mentioned in the
    > > > > > immigration law. my comment was based on posts from an
    > > > > > immigration
    > > > > > lawyer in alt.visa.us.marriage-based. the point is that cases of
    > > > > > abandonment are not a simple matter of a certain number of
    > > > > > months
    > > > > > outside the US, though they turn out to be
    > > > >
    > > > > Whats very funny is that I asked the very same question within
    > > > > the last
    > > > > day and instead of receiving intelligent replies,I received a lot
    > > > > of
    > > > > abuse and insults[Plus a lot of misleading information from
    > > > > idiots, and
    > > > > you know who you are!] as someone who was trying to outfox the
    > > > > INS!.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > The true matter of the fact is that no one here really knows for
    > > > > sure
    > > > > if the immigration man at the POE knows how long you have been out
    > > > > of
    > > > > the country.
    > > > >
    > > > > I can tell you this though.
    > > > > So Far,during 2004 I have been out of the US on three
    > > > > occasions,for 2-3
    > > > > week visits,upon my arrival I was asked by three different
    > > > > immigration
    > > > > officers the same question,how long have you been out of the
    > > > > U.S.and I
    > > > > told him how long.At the same time they ask the question they
    > > > > swipe the
    > > > > green card.Does this swipeing tell them how long you have been
    > > > > gone?I
    > > > > dont think so,I think they purley rely on your answer for their
    > > > > information, which they then in turn log into their computer.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > When you depart from the U.S airport the check in attendant looks
    > > > > at
    > > > > your passport,there is no stamp.
    > > > >
    > > > > Other than the airlines supplying them with the date you left the
    > > > > US,how
    > > > > would they know how long you had been gone?when you enter the UK
    > > > > they
    > > > > simply just look at your passport[providing its a UK passport]it
    > > > > is not
    > > > > stamped,when you leave the UK airport it is not stamped.
    > > > >
    > > > > It is a very interesting question,is it not.Do the INS know how
    > > > > long
    > > > > Green card holder is absent from U.S.
    > > > >
    > > > > So,am I trying to out fox the INS,of course not,its just that some
    > > > > of us
    > > > > like to know how things work and the rest of you[and you know who
    > > > > you
    > > > > are]
    > > > > like to sling the S##T with your cheap shots.
    > > > >
    > > > > Good luck to the original person who started this thread.
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
    > I asked this question several months ago, but no one was able to provide
    > plausible info.
    > Hopefully there are some new user who managed to get more info useful to
    > other users. It would be great to get some more posts.
    > Thanks in advance.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
 
Old Oct 18th 2004, 3:13 pm
  #37  
Joachim Feise
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togaboy wrote on 10/18/2004 19:06:
    > Suggestions in the thread of leaving via Cananda by car and catching a
    > flight out of Canada would prevent airlines from reporting that you have
    > left. Very interesting.

While that may still work, they are in the process of closing this loophole...

-Joe
 
Old Oct 18th 2004, 5:43 pm
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Default Re: Do the INS knows how long Greencard holder is out of the US?

Originally Posted by Joachim Feise
togaboy wrote on 10/18/2004 19:06:
    > Suggestions in the thread of leaving via Cananda by car and catching a
    > flight out of Canada would prevent airlines from reporting that you have
    > left. Very interesting.

While that may still work, they are in the process of closing this loophole...

-Joe
That's true. If the US side has doubt with your entry/exit, they can access the custom information which they share with Canada. I believe both countries are currently sharing the entry-exit records for all people departing from and entering Canada, including those at airport.

Any additional inputs with regard to this topic?
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