Originally Posted by crg

It seems to me that when someone who is wearing a badge and a gun tells you to remain in the car, you should probably do it.

Originally Posted by crg

I've been following this news story. It seems to me that when someone who is wearing a badge and a gun tells you to remain in the car, you should probably do it. This guy allegedly thought he could pile out of the car to ask some questions after being told not to, and then refused to lie on the ground after the scuffle. He thinks that should be legal.

What if everyone was allowed to do that? What if in the middle of the night on a deserted road a cop pulls over a car and all five occupants decide to exercise their legal right to pile out of the car, approach the cop and ask some questions? That doesn't sound too safe to me.

Cops aren't super human. One good sucker punch and they could find themselves shot dead with their own gun. They have a good reason to keep people at a distance and under control while conducting their official duties. It's a crime not to comply and it should be.

The jury agreed. It's funny how the blogosphere thinks they know more than a jury.

Originally Posted by robin1234

Everything you say is eminently reasonable -- based on the premise that America is a police state, which of course it is.

Originally Posted by A I

Police state or not... If you get out and approach an Armed Man ordering you to stay in the car, you are an idiot for trusting your life that he will be "reasonable" and let you complain about the treatment without getting shot.

My 2 cents

Originally Posted by robin1234

Obviously, I agree 100%. In a police state you definitely obey the police, any other course would be madness.

Originally Posted by robin1234

Everything you say is eminently reasonable -- based on the premise that America is a police state, which of course it is.

Originally Posted by robin1234

Everything you say is eminently reasonable -- based on the premise that America is a police state, which of course it is.

Originally Posted by S Folinsky

As mentioned above, the UK, Canada and the US have trial by jury. Personally, I think that is antithetical to a "police state."

Originally Posted by crg

Every profession has their share of bad apples. Name one that doesn't. However, that is no reason to disparage an entire group of people.

I have family members who are police officers. If you pay attention to media reports you'll see that it is a dangerous job filled with split second decisions and no shortage of people willing to chime in about how the police handled it wrong.

If some intruder ever breaks into your home with the intention to harm you or someone you love, feel free skip the call to 911 and offer them hugs and a magic unicorn that poops rainbows and skittles. See how that works out for you.

Originally Posted by robin1234

Sure, I know several police officers here too; local police, sheriff's deputies, border patrol & state troopers. They are all good people and I always get on well with them and their colleagues. I'm not sure where your coming from in your last paragraph, of course I'd dial 911 if I needed police help...?

Originally Posted by crg

Maybe I misunderstood. You seemed to hold them in such low regard as an apparatchik of the police state. I thought you would be too fearful or distrustful to call them.

Originally Posted by Boiler

Sounds like this guy considers himself one of the liberal elite, the same rules do not apply to him as they do to the little people.

Originally Posted by Boiler

Sounds like this guy considers himself one of the liberal elite, the same rules do not apply to him as they do to the little people.

Nice to see he got his comeuppance.

Originally Posted by fatbrit

And we're basing this label on what?