between two worlds

It's about the ability to go back and forth, leave possibility of permanent return open. US Citizenship is a step taken by many Brits at exactly the time when they decide to spend more/most time in the UK. I have felt uncomfortable about this for many reasons, including the oath, as we have been discussing.

And maybe you are saying I have been away too long to do it now anyway??

I haven't looked at that recently, so have been forgetting about that during this discussion. Anyway I have just been trying to explain why I haven't taken the step. It may well be moot now.

sir_eccles

Umm what? My understanding is that quite a lot of Brits apply for citizenship as soon as they are eligible. They view it purely as a paperwork exercise in order to secure their status in the US.

Nutmegger

You have to be resident in the US. Time outside the country re-sets the clock.

ian-mstm

Your green card is only a valid travel document for one year. Further, if you're outside the US for more than one year, the citizenship clock automatically resets and you must then requalify - unless you filed an I-131 travel permit prior to leaving the US... and even then you're only somewhat protected.

Ian

Pulaski

This, ..... and to avoid the recurring renewal of green cards.

Pulaski

Per the notes in the left hand margin under her name, it looks like she has been living outside the US for over three years, so it is quite possible her green card is no longer valid anyway.

tht

Per post #19 she said she already did renew it "I just renewed with great difficulty, time, and expense"

MarylandNed

Yes but you're both right. These are not mutually exclusive scenarios.

As you say, many people apply to become USCs because they they want to stay in the US and want to secure their future there.

However, there are also other people who decide to live quite happily in the US as GC holders without considering becoming a USC right up until the point they start to think about leaving the US. Then many apply to become USCs before leaving the country. They do this simply to secure the ability to return to the US later.

Pulaski

I can image it would be "difficult" if she left the US four years ago and now lives overseas. I believe the intention of the green card regulations is that such shenanigans are impossible.

tht

I have no experience renewing one as I have only had mine 4 years, but since she said she she had a USC husband and adult children living here, if she visited often enough to not have an immigration officer ask questions, I assume she just came back and applied to renew it and stayed till she got it. Do they ask how many days you have been here for a renewal? I though that was only to get US Citizenship?

Pulaski

I dunno. The OP said she experienced "difficulty", so unless she explains it we'll never know.

between two worlds

Ha well I'll explain as you're all speculatng….

I have been in and out of the US in the last four years, while maintaining a residence in US. Yes, as my profile says, base is now Gloucestershire, but ties to US remain strong--USC spouse, house here, adult child here, some banking here, frequent visits etc etc. USC spouse was working overseas during these four years and we came back at least twice a year to US, so immigration officers were ok with that--expat assignment explained my residency overseas, and I was never away more than a year between visits.

I do know you have to come back to US at least once a year to maintain residency (unless you get a re-entry permit), and I am fine with that, and with staying a while each time, and may stay months at a time, in the future.

The green card renewal was difficult just for practical reasons, because it did entail journeys back and forth to US, more than one because of fingerprint glitch. But no problem bureaucratically.

Maryland Ned is right that there are sort of two groups of UK expats who take US citizenship, the ones who plan to stay for ever, and the ones who decide to go back to UK but want to keep doors open to possible return, especially if they have family here.

I am not the OP but I have rather hijacked that person's thread--sorry, DK007!

I was just responding to the hesitation DK007 was feeling about citizenship, even tho s/he seems to be planning to stay. I was trying to explain my own hesitation. And wondering if anyone else could relate.

Anyway, I am unlikely to take the step now--but I have appreciated the discussion!

Let's go back to DK007--has this discussion helped?

I should add that in your situation, planning to throw in your lot 100% with USA and not go back to UK, I probably would have become a citizen.

So I hope I haven't put you off--if it would be the best thing for you, and you have no qualms about the oath because you're happy to renounce your allegiance to UK, do it! Don't listen to my wofflings on the subject!

ian-mstm

Umm - you can't actually visit your permanent residence!


With respect, that's a myth - and has been one for countless years.


It should have been a bureaucratic nightmare for you - and it easily could have been. You were lucky... nothing more than that!

Ian

Pulaski

As Ian said, you are skating on much thinner ice than you realise.

between two worlds

Yes, Ian and Pulaski, you are probably right….thanks anyway for all this discussion.

Again, I'm feeling sorry about hi-jacking the OP's thread, so let's go back there…..

DK007 I hope this was of some use to you in sorting your thoughts.

As I said, it makes sense for you to become a citizen, as has been amply shown here.