airways

Possibly! At the end of the day as I understand it any offence has to be declared for the US. It then has to be decided if it is CIMT or not. If a CIMT then the whole waiver thing has to come into force. If not a CIMT then its not of concern.

However outside of that (UK), the system is designed to recognise that people are rehabilitated and as such don't need to answer yes to having a criminal record etc. It also is used for security vetting.

Scorpiochik

ty jersey and thanks crg for giving me a rough guide for time.

andy I think it stays on for police and courts to see and immigration. but say if you are going for jobs then they get spent after a certain number of years so it wont show up on your record and you wouldnt have to declare any convictions on job applications and things like that.

lansbury

I have to say as someone who had direct access to the PNC from 1981 - 2006 what a complete load of bo****ks that statement is.

airways

No it's not. It may have been in your time. But following certain abuses of the system in tbe past, the rules on what can be pulled from the system have been tightened up in recent times. I am happy to discuss privately with you.

ian-mstm

I'll put the popcorn on!

Ian

lansbury

When you have dug a hole it is best to stop digging and not to make yourself look even less knowledgeable then you already have.

I may have retired at the end of 2006 but I haven't lost touch and among many contacts have a son serving who has direct access to the PNC. So from 2007 until now he agrees 100% with my posting concerning your previous comments.

Spent convictions are the PNC and are there for the operator to see, be that operator a civilian employee or an officer doing their own checks.

Edit to add.

I've just noticed you have now changed it to pulled from the sytem. If by that you mean the restrictions on how the spent convictions can be used, there always have been since the days the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act first came into force. But I stand by what I said, your original comment is total BS.

lansbury

I'm just off for a coffee than was going to read the briefing packet for tonight's council meeting. I thought discussing renewing the contract for our radar van with the anticipated hot heads in attendance plus the media would be the high light of the day, but now I'm not so sure.

Scorpiochik

I thought spent convictions didnt show up on crb checks if done by an employer. Isn't that just on the enhanced crb?

jaxslad

Not to much salt on mine ian plz....Docs orders

lansbury

I wasn't commenting on where spent convictions can be used, just the misinformation that police officers cannot see them on the PNC and need permission from a senior officer to do so.

As to checks for employment I have never had any dealings with those so refrain from commenting on things I have no practical knowledge of. My only working knowledge of legal non police use of PNC information is with visas processed by the US Embassy in London. The Legal Attache's office (FBI) arranged for me to speak to senior members of the visa processing section to explain what they were seeing on PNC printouts submitted with applications. That was prior to ACPO handling the issuing of the certificates.

Scorpiochik

ahh yes sorry, I misread where you had put "civilian employee" as employer