2020 and the joys of N400 waiting
#16
Re: 2020 and the joys of N400 waiting
Quick update, received email this morning for scheduled interview first week of January. Also noticed this morning the trump administration has changed the questions in the civics part for filers post 12/2/20. Think I'll be studying the new 2020 questions, as well as the 2008 version just to be safe.
Submitted N400 application 10/1/20, processed NBC, Interview scheduled early January 2021.
Submitted N400 application 10/1/20, processed NBC, Interview scheduled early January 2021.
Last edited by _Clueless$y$t€m_; Dec 3rd 2020 at 4:57 pm. Reason: Adding timeline
#17
Re: 2020 and the joys of N400 waiting
Since they're short of money, I'm happy for them to keep the fee, if it means I can skip a visit to them (saves me taking unpaid time off work), and hopefully quicken things up (as if that's possible at the moment).
#18
Re: 2020 and the joys of N400 waiting
Quick update, received email this morning for scheduled interview first week of January. Also noticed this morning the trump administration has changed the questions in the civics part for filers post 12/2/20. Think I'll be studying the new 2020 questions, as well as the 2008 version just to be safe.
Submitted N400 application 10/1/20, processed NBC, Interview scheduled early January 2021.
Submitted N400 application 10/1/20, processed NBC, Interview scheduled early January 2021.
https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/le...zation-process
You shouldn't have to worrying about the new test.
#19
Re: 2020 and the joys of N400 waiting
Applicants for naturalization with a “filing” date before Dec. 1, 2020, are required to take the 2008 version of the civics test.
https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/le...zation-process
You shouldn't have to worrying about the new test.
https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/le...zation-process
You shouldn't have to worrying about the new test.
Quietly confident I'll have little problems with the 2008 questions and grateful to avoid the 2020 version.
#20
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Re: 2020 and the joys of N400 waiting
Checking out the 2020 questions just out of curiosity, they seem very on brand for the trump administration. i.e - asking who congress people represent? answer - citizens only.
Quietly confident I'll have little problems with the 2008 questions and grateful to avoid the 2020 version.
Quietly confident I'll have little problems with the 2008 questions and grateful to avoid the 2020 version.
And the answer is how I have always understood it as well,l, even before I became a USC. They represent the voters, all of whom should be USC. When I was writing to the Congress person who represented the district I lived in to ask about my GC, I did it in the context of the impact on my now wife, who was a USC and not myself.
#21
Re: 2020 and the joys of N400 waiting
not quite how It’s worded...
And the answer is how I have always understood it as well,l, even before I became a USC. They represent the voters, all of whom should be USC. When I was writing to the Congress person who represented the district I lived in to ask about my GC, I did it in the context of the impact on my now wife, who was a USC and not myself.
And the answer is how I have always understood it as well,l, even before I became a USC. They represent the voters, all of whom should be USC. When I was writing to the Congress person who represented the district I lived in to ask about my GC, I did it in the context of the impact on my now wife, who was a USC and not myself.
#22
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Re: 2020 and the joys of N400 waiting
Or legal aliens have the privilege of being allowed to live here... if they don’t like it they all have a county of origin they are fee to go back to... I have been abroad so much if my adult life I have only been eligible to vote in 3 elections in over 20 years and 2 if those have been in the US... and I never been able to vote in my country of birth..
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#23
Re: 2020 and the joys of N400 waiting
And the answer is how I have always understood it as well,l, even before I became a USC.
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.
Lest you forget the 'three fifths of all other Persons' referred to in the Constitution is expressly talking about slaves who did not have the franchise.
Last edited by civilservant; Dec 15th 2020 at 10:23 am.
#24
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Re: 2020 and the joys of N400 waiting
Sorry but you're wrong.
Nothing in there about US Citizens. Only 'free Persons'. That's not to say of course that they do not focus on the Citizens that need their help, of course, but to say that they ONLY represent the people who can vote is simply wrong.
Lest you forget the 'three fifths of all other Persons' referred to in the Constitution is expressly talking about slaves who did not have the franchise.
Nothing in there about US Citizens. Only 'free Persons'. That's not to say of course that they do not focus on the Citizens that need their help, of course, but to say that they ONLY represent the people who can vote is simply wrong.
Lest you forget the 'three fifths of all other Persons' referred to in the Constitution is expressly talking about slaves who did not have the franchise.
Your copy paste of the pre amendment constitution does not really prove your point, that part is about apportionment, which is not the same as representation.
And you are right they represent more than just the people who can vote. There are USC who can’t vote, either because of their age or being ineligible for some other reason.
I have read lots of interesting articles and opinion pieces on it.
In the same way a board of directors of a company represents it’s shared holders, it does not mean that that don’t make decisions related to other stakeholders. So even if Congress represents the USC in the districts that elect them they can still consider and vote on other issues that may impact their electorate or the US a in general.
The whole thing is kind of mute anyway... most Congress people don’t even really represent the USC who voted for them... more likely their financial donors and other specials interest groups...
This one is an interesting read:
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/should-noncitizens-be-represented-in-congress-11555972120
#25
Re: 2020 and the joys of N400 waiting
Received the letter saying that they will reuse my previous biometrics, but will not issue a refund.
A week later, I have been allocated an interview date in 5 weeks time. Don't know how long I will have to wait for the oath ceremony after that. Whilst it would be nice to have a same day ceremony, I suppose with an afternoon interview, it wouldn't be possible, assuming Tampa did that anyway.
A week later, I have been allocated an interview date in 5 weeks time. Don't know how long I will have to wait for the oath ceremony after that. Whilst it would be nice to have a same day ceremony, I suppose with an afternoon interview, it wouldn't be possible, assuming Tampa did that anyway.
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Re: 2020 and the joys of N400 waiting
Just checked after reading your update - I also have a letter mailed and on the way, with an interview date set for January 22nd.
#27
Re: 2020 and the joys of N400 waiting
Hello again, I thought I'd return to update on my experience of naturalization during Covid. I had my interview scheduled on the 7th at 1245, the day after the failed insurrection at the Capitol. Security, understandably was tight on arriving at the JFK Federal Building in Boston and the interview was very formal. No real chit chat apart from a bonding moment on the joys of home schooling but mostly straight to business all the way through, after 20 minutes I was relieved to be told my N400 application was approved. I took the rest of the afternoon to dodge home schooling and enjoy the moment along with a couple of pints of Guinness.
The next morning at 0642 I received a notification from the USCIS portal that action had been taken on my case, firstly that the application had been accepted, then another that the oath ceremony had been scheduled, another notification later that the oath ceremony had been cancelled and my application was back in line. Disappointing but not the end of the world. Another hour passed and another notification that the ceremony was rescheduled. There was no link supplied for viewing the document until 2 or 3 days later, eventually I could view online and received the notice in the mail about a week later.
Thursday 28th was the date with the ceremony at 0845, as it was snowing I decided to take the train in just to avoid traffic on the Expressway. Usually I'd walk from South Station to Government Center but being suited and booted I thought it best to avoid the slush, so took the green line on the T. Arriving at the JFK Federal Building it was apparent there was more than one ceremony going on as it took time to get through security, Made my way through, straight to the elevator, up to 9th floor to discover I'd made a mistake...there was a desk after security I was meant to report to to have my paperwork stamped, surrender my green card and have temperature taken before going up the elevator. I queued up, got stamped, surrendered and scanned and was told to wait in a corridor along with other people waiting for the 0845 ceremony, on the other side of the corridor were the people waiting for 0900 ceremony. We were instructed to go up to the 9th floor in two's to maintain social distancing before handing the stamped paperwork to a USCIS employee and being shown to a room with 20 chairs, equally distanced apart in 5 x 4 formation, each chair had a white envelope and a small flag placed on the seat. Once everyone was seated the USCIS employee who gathered the paperwork took to the front of the room, welcomed us all, gave a short speech about how the oath ceremony during the pandemic was different to the before times with more pomp and ceremony, even guests being allowed. Then it was time to take the oath, followed by the pledge of allegiance and offered congratulations. All in all it took around 5 minutes from walking in a permanent resident to walking out a citizen.
My timeline for the N400 process,
10/1/20 - Submitted application to beat the price hike
1/7/21 - Interview (new biometrics also taken)
1/28/21 - Oath Ceremony
Thanks to all here who helped with the process, from back in 2008 and the CR1 process to now, there are some very knowledgeable and helpful people here to whom we're very grateful for. I'll still be returning here to hopefully be able to pay forward the great advice I've received over the years. Thank you people!
The next morning at 0642 I received a notification from the USCIS portal that action had been taken on my case, firstly that the application had been accepted, then another that the oath ceremony had been scheduled, another notification later that the oath ceremony had been cancelled and my application was back in line. Disappointing but not the end of the world. Another hour passed and another notification that the ceremony was rescheduled. There was no link supplied for viewing the document until 2 or 3 days later, eventually I could view online and received the notice in the mail about a week later.
Thursday 28th was the date with the ceremony at 0845, as it was snowing I decided to take the train in just to avoid traffic on the Expressway. Usually I'd walk from South Station to Government Center but being suited and booted I thought it best to avoid the slush, so took the green line on the T. Arriving at the JFK Federal Building it was apparent there was more than one ceremony going on as it took time to get through security, Made my way through, straight to the elevator, up to 9th floor to discover I'd made a mistake...there was a desk after security I was meant to report to to have my paperwork stamped, surrender my green card and have temperature taken before going up the elevator. I queued up, got stamped, surrendered and scanned and was told to wait in a corridor along with other people waiting for the 0845 ceremony, on the other side of the corridor were the people waiting for 0900 ceremony. We were instructed to go up to the 9th floor in two's to maintain social distancing before handing the stamped paperwork to a USCIS employee and being shown to a room with 20 chairs, equally distanced apart in 5 x 4 formation, each chair had a white envelope and a small flag placed on the seat. Once everyone was seated the USCIS employee who gathered the paperwork took to the front of the room, welcomed us all, gave a short speech about how the oath ceremony during the pandemic was different to the before times with more pomp and ceremony, even guests being allowed. Then it was time to take the oath, followed by the pledge of allegiance and offered congratulations. All in all it took around 5 minutes from walking in a permanent resident to walking out a citizen.
My timeline for the N400 process,
10/1/20 - Submitted application to beat the price hike
1/7/21 - Interview (new biometrics also taken)
1/28/21 - Oath Ceremony
Thanks to all here who helped with the process, from back in 2008 and the CR1 process to now, there are some very knowledgeable and helpful people here to whom we're very grateful for. I'll still be returning here to hopefully be able to pay forward the great advice I've received over the years. Thank you people!
#28
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Joined: Mar 2010
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Re: 2020 and the joys of N400 waiting
Hello again, I thought I'd return to update on my experience of naturalization during Covid. I had my interview scheduled on the 7th at 1245, the day after the failed insurrection at the Capitol. Security, understandably was tight on arriving at the JFK Federal Building in Boston and the interview was very formal. No real chit chat apart from a bonding moment on the joys of home schooling but mostly straight to business all the way through, after 20 minutes I was relieved to be told my N400 application was approved. I took the rest of the afternoon to dodge home schooling and enjoy the moment along with a couple of pints of Guinness.
The next morning at 0642 I received a notification from the USCIS portal that action had been taken on my case, firstly that the application had been accepted, then another that the oath ceremony had been scheduled, another notification later that the oath ceremony had been cancelled and my application was back in line. Disappointing but not the end of the world. Another hour passed and another notification that the ceremony was rescheduled. There was no link supplied for viewing the document until 2 or 3 days later, eventually I could view online and received the notice in the mail about a week later.
Thursday 28th was the date with the ceremony at 0845, as it was snowing I decided to take the train in just to avoid traffic on the Expressway. Usually I'd walk from South Station to Government Center but being suited and booted I thought it best to avoid the slush, so took the green line on the T. Arriving at the JFK Federal Building it was apparent there was more than one ceremony going on as it took time to get through security, Made my way through, straight to the elevator, up to 9th floor to discover I'd made a mistake...there was a desk after security I was meant to report to to have my paperwork stamped, surrender my green card and have temperature taken before going up the elevator. I queued up, got stamped, surrendered and scanned and was told to wait in a corridor along with other people waiting for the 0845 ceremony, on the other side of the corridor were the people waiting for 0900 ceremony. We were instructed to go up to the 9th floor in two's to maintain social distancing before handing the stamped paperwork to a USCIS employee and being shown to a room with 20 chairs, equally distanced apart in 5 x 4 formation, each chair had a white envelope and a small flag placed on the seat. Once everyone was seated the USCIS employee who gathered the paperwork took to the front of the room, welcomed us all, gave a short speech about how the oath ceremony during the pandemic was different to the before times with more pomp and ceremony, even guests being allowed. Then it was time to take the oath, followed by the pledge of allegiance and offered congratulations. All in all it took around 5 minutes from walking in a permanent resident to walking out a citizen.
My timeline for the N400 process,
10/1/20 - Submitted application to beat the price hike
1/7/21 - Interview (new biometrics also taken)
1/28/21 - Oath Ceremony
Thanks to all here who helped with the process, from back in 2008 and the CR1 process to now, there are some very knowledgeable and helpful people here to whom we're very grateful for. I'll still be returning here to hopefully be able to pay forward the great advice I've received over the years. Thank you people!
The next morning at 0642 I received a notification from the USCIS portal that action had been taken on my case, firstly that the application had been accepted, then another that the oath ceremony had been scheduled, another notification later that the oath ceremony had been cancelled and my application was back in line. Disappointing but not the end of the world. Another hour passed and another notification that the ceremony was rescheduled. There was no link supplied for viewing the document until 2 or 3 days later, eventually I could view online and received the notice in the mail about a week later.
Thursday 28th was the date with the ceremony at 0845, as it was snowing I decided to take the train in just to avoid traffic on the Expressway. Usually I'd walk from South Station to Government Center but being suited and booted I thought it best to avoid the slush, so took the green line on the T. Arriving at the JFK Federal Building it was apparent there was more than one ceremony going on as it took time to get through security, Made my way through, straight to the elevator, up to 9th floor to discover I'd made a mistake...there was a desk after security I was meant to report to to have my paperwork stamped, surrender my green card and have temperature taken before going up the elevator. I queued up, got stamped, surrendered and scanned and was told to wait in a corridor along with other people waiting for the 0845 ceremony, on the other side of the corridor were the people waiting for 0900 ceremony. We were instructed to go up to the 9th floor in two's to maintain social distancing before handing the stamped paperwork to a USCIS employee and being shown to a room with 20 chairs, equally distanced apart in 5 x 4 formation, each chair had a white envelope and a small flag placed on the seat. Once everyone was seated the USCIS employee who gathered the paperwork took to the front of the room, welcomed us all, gave a short speech about how the oath ceremony during the pandemic was different to the before times with more pomp and ceremony, even guests being allowed. Then it was time to take the oath, followed by the pledge of allegiance and offered congratulations. All in all it took around 5 minutes from walking in a permanent resident to walking out a citizen.
My timeline for the N400 process,
10/1/20 - Submitted application to beat the price hike
1/7/21 - Interview (new biometrics also taken)
1/28/21 - Oath Ceremony
Thanks to all here who helped with the process, from back in 2008 and the CR1 process to now, there are some very knowledgeable and helpful people here to whom we're very grateful for. I'll still be returning here to hopefully be able to pay forward the great advice I've received over the years. Thank you people!
#29
Re: 2020 and the joys of N400 waiting
There was not, just a USCIS document 'Important Information for New Citizens', a copy of the Oath and Pledge of Allegiance, a US Election Assistance document '14 Facts About Voting In Federal Elections" and a US Passport Application, the Certificate of Naturalization was presented after the Oath ceremony.(my bad, probably should have mentioned that in previous post).
Nothing presidential related at all but seeing as the Biden administration has been busy with the people's business in recent days I won't lose too much sleep from FOMO.
Nothing presidential related at all but seeing as the Biden administration has been busy with the people's business in recent days I won't lose too much sleep from FOMO.
#30
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Re: 2020 and the joys of N400 waiting
There was not, just a USCIS document 'Important Information for New Citizens', a copy of the Oath and Pledge of Allegiance, a US Election Assistance document '14 Facts About Voting In Federal Elections" and a US Passport Application, the Certificate of Naturalization was presented after the Oath ceremony.(my bad, probably should have mentioned that in previous post).
Nothing presidential related at all but seeing as the Biden administration has been busy with the people's business in recent days I won't lose too much sleep from FOMO.
Nothing presidential related at all but seeing as the Biden administration has been busy with the people's business in recent days I won't lose too much sleep from FOMO.