2002 Congressional Elections and the H-1B visa
Oct 18th 2002, 6:51 am
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2002 Congressional Elections and the H-1B visa
Find out which congressional candidates checked-off their support for
the H-1B technical visa in the Project Vote Smart 2002 National
Political Awareness Test (NPAT):
http://www.vote-smart-
.org/vote-smart/data.phtml?dtype=I
Search for immigration question D:
[X] d) Increase the immigration quota for computer scientists
and other information technology workers.
Only Congress can reduce or eliminate the H-1B program so make sure
the candidates hear your opposition.
===
http://www.h1b.info
Learn how the H-1B technical visa program is costing American jobs and
undercutting your wages.
the H-1B technical visa in the Project Vote Smart 2002 National
Political Awareness Test (NPAT):
http://www.vote-smart-
.org/vote-smart/data.phtml?dtype=I
Search for immigration question D:
[X] d) Increase the immigration quota for computer scientists
and other information technology workers.
Only Congress can reduce or eliminate the H-1B program so make sure
the candidates hear your opposition.
===
http://www.h1b.info
Learn how the H-1B technical visa program is costing American jobs and
undercutting your wages.
Oct 18th 2002, 2:08 pm
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Re: 2002 Congressional Elections and the H-1B visa
[email protected] (www.h1b.info) wrote:
>http://www.vote-smar-
>t.org/vote-smart/data.phtml?dtype=I
For some reason Florida has "No NPAT" after most of the politicians.
>http://www.vote-smar-
>t.org/vote-smart/data.phtml?dtype=I
For some reason Florida has "No NPAT" after most of the politicians.
Oct 18th 2002, 2:53 pm
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Afraid of competition, huh? What does that say about you, that you need
Government help to compete professionaly? Do you know how to spell
l-o-s-e-r?
"www.h1b.info" wrote in message
news:826bf607.0210172251-
[email protected]...
> Find out which congressional candidates checked-off their support for
> the H-1B technical visa in the Project Vote Smart 2002 National
> Political Awareness Test (NPAT):
> http://www.vote-sma-
> rt.org/vote-smart/data.phtml?dtype=I
> Search for immigration question D:
> [X] d) Increase the immigration quota for computer scientists
> and other information technology workers.
> Only Congress can reduce or eliminate the H-1B program so make sure
> the candidates hear your opposition.
> ===
> http://www.h1b.info
> Learn how the H-1B technical visa program is costing American jobs and
> undercutting your wages.
Government help to compete professionaly? Do you know how to spell
l-o-s-e-r?
"www.h1b.info" wrote in message
news:826bf607.0210172251-
[email protected]...
> Find out which congressional candidates checked-off their support for
> the H-1B technical visa in the Project Vote Smart 2002 National
> Political Awareness Test (NPAT):
> http://www.vote-sma-
> rt.org/vote-smart/data.phtml?dtype=I
> Search for immigration question D:
> [X] d) Increase the immigration quota for computer scientists
> and other information technology workers.
> Only Congress can reduce or eliminate the H-1B program so make sure
> the candidates hear your opposition.
> ===
> http://www.h1b.info
> Learn how the H-1B technical visa program is costing American jobs and
> undercutting your wages.
Oct 18th 2002, 4:14 pm
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Re: 2002 Congressional Elections and the H-1B visa
> Learn how the H-1B technical visa program is costing American jobs
it is costing American jobs because it costs more to employ an
American worker.
IEEE has a survey posted on its website which shows that unemployment
fell and the no. of jobs also fell (indicating that the jobs have been
moved to overseas locations). You sure can expect this in times of
recession when companies are trying to save pennies whereever
possible.
> and
> undercutting your wages.
the H1-B visa is restrictive and that forces engineers to accept lower
wages in return for a green card. the fact that an engineer is on an
H1-B does not mean that he is less-qualified or that he has a vested
interest in driving down labor costs.
regards
-kamal
it is costing American jobs because it costs more to employ an
American worker.
IEEE has a survey posted on its website which shows that unemployment
fell and the no. of jobs also fell (indicating that the jobs have been
moved to overseas locations). You sure can expect this in times of
recession when companies are trying to save pennies whereever
possible.
> and
> undercutting your wages.
the H1-B visa is restrictive and that forces engineers to accept lower
wages in return for a green card. the fact that an engineer is on an
H1-B does not mean that he is less-qualified or that he has a vested
interest in driving down labor costs.
regards
-kamal
Oct 18th 2002, 4:39 pm
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Re: 2002 Congressional Elections and the H-1B visa
Foreigners are not required to register with Selective Service; so, why
should they have access to our job market?
should they have access to our job market?
Oct 18th 2002, 4:54 pm
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Re: 2002 Congressional Elections and the H-1B visa
On 18 Oct 2002 09:14:57 -0700, [email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad)
wrote:
>> Learn how the H-1B technical visa program is costing American jobs
>it is costing American jobs because it costs more to employ an
>American worker.
>IEEE has a survey posted on its website which shows that unemployment
>fell and the no. of jobs also fell (indicating that the jobs have been
>moved to overseas locations). You sure can expect this in times of
>recession when companies are trying to save pennies whereever
>possible.
>> and
>> undercutting your wages.
>the H1-B visa is restrictive and that forces engineers to accept lower
>wages in return for a green card. the fact that an engineer is on an
>H1-B does not mean that he is less-qualified or that he has a vested
>interest in driving down labor costs.
>regards
However.. Somewhere between 600,000 to 750,000 of H1-B's have recently
come from a country which around 7 million computers.
So were did they get the flood of so-called experts??
Answer... They didn't, They're not experts.
Most of them can't even be classified as novices.
http://www.socio.demon.co.-
uk/magazine/7/venky.html
(1.1 computers per 1000.. ~1.3 million computers, ~Jul 99).
http://www.learnon.org/papers/India.p-
df
(3 million computers for a billion+ people, 2000.)
http://w-
ww.time.com/time/asia/digital/magazine/0,9754,107313,00.html
(less than 5 million computers for a billion+ people. apr30, 2001.
-----
Meanwhile the US has a 300 Million+ computers, and the pro H1-Ber's
still claim the US can't supply the enough experienced tech workers..
And they use that argument as justification to import them from...
wrote:
>> Learn how the H-1B technical visa program is costing American jobs
>it is costing American jobs because it costs more to employ an
>American worker.
>IEEE has a survey posted on its website which shows that unemployment
>fell and the no. of jobs also fell (indicating that the jobs have been
>moved to overseas locations). You sure can expect this in times of
>recession when companies are trying to save pennies whereever
>possible.
>> and
>> undercutting your wages.
>the H1-B visa is restrictive and that forces engineers to accept lower
>wages in return for a green card. the fact that an engineer is on an
>H1-B does not mean that he is less-qualified or that he has a vested
>interest in driving down labor costs.
>regards
However.. Somewhere between 600,000 to 750,000 of H1-B's have recently
come from a country which around 7 million computers.
So were did they get the flood of so-called experts??
Answer... They didn't, They're not experts.
Most of them can't even be classified as novices.
http://www.socio.demon.co.-
uk/magazine/7/venky.html
(1.1 computers per 1000.. ~1.3 million computers, ~Jul 99).
http://www.learnon.org/papers/India.p-
df
(3 million computers for a billion+ people, 2000.)
http://w-
ww.time.com/time/asia/digital/magazine/0,9754,107313,00.html
(less than 5 million computers for a billion+ people. apr30, 2001.
-----
Meanwhile the US has a 300 Million+ computers, and the pro H1-Ber's
still claim the US can't supply the enough experienced tech workers..
And they use that argument as justification to import them from...
Oct 18th 2002, 5:16 pm
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Re: 2002 Congressional Elections and the H-1B visa
>"www.h1b.info" wrote in message
>news:826bf607.021017225-
>[email protected] ...
>> Find out which congressional candidates checked-off their support for
>> the H-1B technical visa in the Project Vote Smart 2002 National
>> Political Awareness Test (NPAT):
>> http://www.vote-sm-
>> art.org/vote-smart/data.phtml?dtype=I
>> Search for immigration question D:
>> [X] d) Increase the immigration quota for computer scientists
>> and other information technology workers.
>> Only Congress can reduce or eliminate the H-1B program so make sure
>> the candidates hear your opposition.
>> ===
>> http://www.h1b.info
>> Learn how the H-1B technical visa program is costing American jobs and
>> undercutting your wages.
"Carlos Antunes" wrote:
>Afraid of competition, huh? What does that say about you, that you need
>Government help to compete professionaly? Do you know how to spell
>l-o-s-e-r?
I put your post at the bottom to make it easier to follow the thread
It sounds like you're saying that we need the government to help us
import less cheap labor to keep our wages livable and to keep our jobs
in general. Is that what you're saying?
>news:826bf607.021017225-
>[email protected] ...
>> Find out which congressional candidates checked-off their support for
>> the H-1B technical visa in the Project Vote Smart 2002 National
>> Political Awareness Test (NPAT):
>> http://www.vote-sm-
>> art.org/vote-smart/data.phtml?dtype=I
>> Search for immigration question D:
>> [X] d) Increase the immigration quota for computer scientists
>> and other information technology workers.
>> Only Congress can reduce or eliminate the H-1B program so make sure
>> the candidates hear your opposition.
>> ===
>> http://www.h1b.info
>> Learn how the H-1B technical visa program is costing American jobs and
>> undercutting your wages.
"Carlos Antunes" wrote:
>Afraid of competition, huh? What does that say about you, that you need
>Government help to compete professionaly? Do you know how to spell
>l-o-s-e-r?
I put your post at the bottom to make it easier to follow the thread
It sounds like you're saying that we need the government to help us
import less cheap labor to keep our wages livable and to keep our jobs
in general. Is that what you're saying?
Oct 18th 2002, 5:33 pm
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Re: 2002 Congressional Elections and the H-1B visa
[email protected] (Kamal R. Prasad) wrote:
>> Learn how the H-1B technical visa program is costing American jobs
>it is costing American jobs because it costs more to employ an
>American worker.
That's right. And it costs more to pay rent for just ONE little old
American family to live in just ONE meager little apartment. This is
preferable to ten little Indians crammed in an apartment.
It also costs more here to get a college education. We actually have
to pay for it and we have to obtain loans for it. We also have to pay
the loans back. Since Gandhi made communism the craze in India (may
the bald headed little fart burn in hell), only a chosen few get
educated there. Then they get shipped out and infiltrate the U.S. job
market like vermin on a ship.
We have to pay bills, pay for gas, food, insurance, property tax, etc.
We do our time in the military and pay our taxes so that Congress can
enact laws in favor of big businesses who want to import cheap labor
from shit holes like India. And because of the fine culture and
government there, India will remain a shit hole.
>IEEE has a survey posted on its website which shows that unemployment
>fell and the no. of jobs also fell (indicating that the jobs have been
>moved to overseas locations). You sure can expect this in times of
>recession when companies are trying to save pennies whereever
>possible.
>> and
>> undercutting your wages.
>the H1-B visa is restrictive and that forces engineers to accept lower
>wages in return for a green card. the fact that an engineer is on an
>H1-B does not mean that he is less-qualified or that he has a vested
>interest in driving down labor costs.
>regards
>-kamal
He is less qualified because the education system in India is second
in quality only to Mogadishu. Plus the fact that one of India's
engineers puts an American engineer out of work. Competition is fine.
Cost cutting is great! The "fine" programmers and engineers in Asia
will put the final nail in the coffin of some of these corporations.
And by the way: It is illegal to pay less money than the going rate.
I guess you know something we don't?
>> Learn how the H-1B technical visa program is costing American jobs
>it is costing American jobs because it costs more to employ an
>American worker.
That's right. And it costs more to pay rent for just ONE little old
American family to live in just ONE meager little apartment. This is
preferable to ten little Indians crammed in an apartment.
It also costs more here to get a college education. We actually have
to pay for it and we have to obtain loans for it. We also have to pay
the loans back. Since Gandhi made communism the craze in India (may
the bald headed little fart burn in hell), only a chosen few get
educated there. Then they get shipped out and infiltrate the U.S. job
market like vermin on a ship.
We have to pay bills, pay for gas, food, insurance, property tax, etc.
We do our time in the military and pay our taxes so that Congress can
enact laws in favor of big businesses who want to import cheap labor
from shit holes like India. And because of the fine culture and
government there, India will remain a shit hole.
>IEEE has a survey posted on its website which shows that unemployment
>fell and the no. of jobs also fell (indicating that the jobs have been
>moved to overseas locations). You sure can expect this in times of
>recession when companies are trying to save pennies whereever
>possible.
>> and
>> undercutting your wages.
>the H1-B visa is restrictive and that forces engineers to accept lower
>wages in return for a green card. the fact that an engineer is on an
>H1-B does not mean that he is less-qualified or that he has a vested
>interest in driving down labor costs.
>regards
>-kamal
He is less qualified because the education system in India is second
in quality only to Mogadishu. Plus the fact that one of India's
engineers puts an American engineer out of work. Competition is fine.
Cost cutting is great! The "fine" programmers and engineers in Asia
will put the final nail in the coffin of some of these corporations.
And by the way: It is illegal to pay less money than the going rate.
I guess you know something we don't?
Oct 18th 2002, 9:35 pm
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Re: 2002 Congressional Elections and the H-1B visa
Carlos:
Read the original post, read it again, and again, and again, until
you understand that there is not enough information in that Post for
you to conclude that poster, www.h1b.info is afraid of competition.
btw, Are you an H1b that was trained by a citizen to allow you to
compete for the trainers job?
Just curious,
-- blacky
"Carlos Antunes" wrote in message news:...
> Afraid of competition, huh? What does that say about you, that you need
> Government help to compete professionaly? Do you know how to spell
> l-o-s-e-r?
> "www.h1b.info" wrote in message
> news:826bf607.02101722-
> [email protected] ...
> > Find out which congressional candidates checked-off their support for
> > the H-1B technical visa in the Project Vote Smart 2002 National
> > Political Awareness Test (NPAT):
> >
> > http://www.vote-s-
> > mart.org/vote-smart/data.phtml?dtype=I
> >
> > Search for immigration question D:
> >
> > [X] d) Increase the immigration quota for computer scientists
> > and other information technology workers.
> >
> > Only Congress can reduce or eliminate the H-1B program so make sure
> > the candidates hear your opposition.
> >
> > ===
> > http://www.h1b.info
> > Learn how the H-1B technical visa program is costing American jobs and
> > undercutting your wages.
Read the original post, read it again, and again, and again, until
you understand that there is not enough information in that Post for
you to conclude that poster, www.h1b.info is afraid of competition.
btw, Are you an H1b that was trained by a citizen to allow you to
compete for the trainers job?
Just curious,
-- blacky
"Carlos Antunes" wrote in message news:...
> Afraid of competition, huh? What does that say about you, that you need
> Government help to compete professionaly? Do you know how to spell
> l-o-s-e-r?
> "www.h1b.info" wrote in message
> news:826bf607.02101722-
> [email protected] ...
> > Find out which congressional candidates checked-off their support for
> > the H-1B technical visa in the Project Vote Smart 2002 National
> > Political Awareness Test (NPAT):
> >
> > http://www.vote-s-
> > mart.org/vote-smart/data.phtml?dtype=I
> >
> > Search for immigration question D:
> >
> > [X] d) Increase the immigration quota for computer scientists
> > and other information technology workers.
> >
> > Only Congress can reduce or eliminate the H-1B program so make sure
> > the candidates hear your opposition.
> >
> > ===
> > http://www.h1b.info
> > Learn how the H-1B technical visa program is costing American jobs and
> > undercutting your wages.
Oct 18th 2002, 9:49 pm
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Re: 2002 Congressional Elections and the H-1B visa
Tim Keating wrote:
>However.. Somewhere between 600,000 to 750,000 of H1-B's have recently
>come from a country which around 7 million computers.
> So were did they get the flood of so-called experts??
> Answer... They didn't, They're not experts.
> Most of them can't even be classified as novices.
>http://www.socio.demon.co-
>.uk/magazine/7/venky.html
> (1.1 computers per 1000.. ~1.3 million computers, ~Jul 99).
>http://www.learnon.org/papers/India.-
>pdf
>(3 million computers for a billion+ people, 2000.)
>http://-
>www.time.com/time/asia/digital/magazine/0,9754,107313,00.html
>(less than 5 million computers for a billion+ people. apr30, 2001.
That argument goes nowhere, IMHO, and just feeds the anti-imigrant
image of the anti-H-1B forces.
>Meanwhile the US has a 300 Million+ computers, and the pro H1-Ber's
>still claim the US can't supply the enough experienced tech workers..
That , on the other hand is a valid argument. I think it needs to be
supplemented by the argument that even if there were a shortage, why
should the gov't step in with a special program to help this one
industry? Even if it were at one time good public policy, it now shows
that corporate welfare programs, just like social welfare programs,
often outlive their usefulness.
--
Alex
Make the obvious change in the return address to reply by email.
>However.. Somewhere between 600,000 to 750,000 of H1-B's have recently
>come from a country which around 7 million computers.
> So were did they get the flood of so-called experts??
> Answer... They didn't, They're not experts.
> Most of them can't even be classified as novices.
>http://www.socio.demon.co-
>.uk/magazine/7/venky.html
> (1.1 computers per 1000.. ~1.3 million computers, ~Jul 99).
>http://www.learnon.org/papers/India.-
>(3 million computers for a billion+ people, 2000.)
>http://-
>www.time.com/time/asia/digital/magazine/0,9754,107313,00.html
>(less than 5 million computers for a billion+ people. apr30, 2001.
That argument goes nowhere, IMHO, and just feeds the anti-imigrant
image of the anti-H-1B forces.
>Meanwhile the US has a 300 Million+ computers, and the pro H1-Ber's
>still claim the US can't supply the enough experienced tech workers..
That , on the other hand is a valid argument. I think it needs to be
supplemented by the argument that even if there were a shortage, why
should the gov't step in with a special program to help this one
industry? Even if it were at one time good public policy, it now shows
that corporate welfare programs, just like social welfare programs,
often outlive their usefulness.
--
Alex
Make the obvious change in the return address to reply by email.
Oct 18th 2002, 10:22 pm
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Re: 2002 Congressional Elections and the H-1B visa
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:49:00 -0400, alexy
wrote:
>Tim Keating wrote:
>>However.. Somewhere between 600,000 to 750,000 of H1-B's have recently
>>come from a country which around 7 million computers.
>> So were did they get the flood of so-called experts??
>> Answer... They didn't, They're not experts.
>> Most of them can't even be classified as novices.
>>http://www.socio.demon.c-
>>o.uk/magazine/7/venky.html
>> (1.1 computers per 1000.. ~1.3 million computers, ~Jul 99).
>>http://www.learnon.org/papers/India-
>>.pdf
>>(3 million computers for a billion+ people, 2000.)
>>http:/-
>>/www.time.com/time/asia/digital/magazine/0,9754,107313,00.html
>>(less than 5 million computers for a billion+ people. apr30, 2001.
>That argument goes nowhere, IMHO, and just feeds the anti-imigrant
>image of the anti-H-1B forces.
It demonstrates the wholesale fraud of the H1-B program!!.
They have provided more so-called experts, than computers. It
would be most entertaining, to tally up all the claimed schooling and
high level work experience with computers.
They try to match up those the experience years with actual # of
computer years.
>>Meanwhile the US has a 300 Million+ computers, and the pro H1-Ber's
>>still claim the US can't supply the enough experienced tech workers..
>That , on the other hand is a valid argument. I think it needs to be
>supplemented by the argument that even if there were a shortage, why
>should the gov't step in with a special program to help this one
>industry? Even if it were at one time good public policy, it now shows
>that corporate welfare programs, just like social welfare programs,
>often outlive their usefulness.
That's why I published a link to the taste of Communism in America
article..
http://therazor.org/Summer02/h1b-
.htm
The successive increases in the H1-B program are only the latest
steps in manipulating the tech market. Going back in time.. You
have the section 1706 tax rules, and the DOL ruling on overtime
payment exemptions.
As usual Congress/globalists pushed the limits until it broke.
Big time, with the IT Industry is stuck in collapse mode.
wrote:
>Tim Keating wrote:
>>However.. Somewhere between 600,000 to 750,000 of H1-B's have recently
>>come from a country which around 7 million computers.
>> So were did they get the flood of so-called experts??
>> Answer... They didn't, They're not experts.
>> Most of them can't even be classified as novices.
>>http://www.socio.demon.c-
>>o.uk/magazine/7/venky.html
>> (1.1 computers per 1000.. ~1.3 million computers, ~Jul 99).
>>http://www.learnon.org/papers/India-
>>(3 million computers for a billion+ people, 2000.)
>>http:/-
>>/www.time.com/time/asia/digital/magazine/0,9754,107313,00.html
>>(less than 5 million computers for a billion+ people. apr30, 2001.
>That argument goes nowhere, IMHO, and just feeds the anti-imigrant
>image of the anti-H-1B forces.
It demonstrates the wholesale fraud of the H1-B program!!.
They have provided more so-called experts, than computers. It
would be most entertaining, to tally up all the claimed schooling and
high level work experience with computers.
They try to match up those the experience years with actual # of
computer years.
>>Meanwhile the US has a 300 Million+ computers, and the pro H1-Ber's
>>still claim the US can't supply the enough experienced tech workers..
>That , on the other hand is a valid argument. I think it needs to be
>supplemented by the argument that even if there were a shortage, why
>should the gov't step in with a special program to help this one
>industry? Even if it were at one time good public policy, it now shows
>that corporate welfare programs, just like social welfare programs,
>often outlive their usefulness.
That's why I published a link to the taste of Communism in America
article..
http://therazor.org/Summer02/h1b-
.htm
The successive increases in the H1-B program are only the latest
steps in manipulating the tech market. Going back in time.. You
have the section 1706 tax rules, and the DOL ruling on overtime
payment exemptions.
As usual Congress/globalists pushed the limits until it broke.
Big time, with the IT Industry is stuck in collapse mode.
Oct 19th 2002, 1:57 am
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Re: 2002 Congressional Elections and the H-1B visa
In
alt.computer.consultants,misc.immigration.usa,sci. research.careers,alt.visa.us,talk.-
politics.misc,
Tim Keating wrote in message
...
>On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:49:00 -0400, alexy
>wrote:
>>Tim Keating wrote:
>>>However.. Somewhere between 600,000 to 750,000 of H1-B's have recently
>>>come from a country which around 7 million computers.
>>> So were did they get the flood of so-called experts??
>>> Answer... They didn't, They're not experts.
>>> Most of them can't even be classified as novices.
>>>http://www.socio.demon.-
>>>co.uk/magazine/7/venky.html
>>> (1.1 computers per 1000.. ~1.3 million computers, ~Jul 99).
>>>http://www.learnon.org/papers/Indi-
>>>a.pdf
>>>(3 million computers for a billion+ people, 2000.)
>>>http:-
>>>//www.time.com/time/asia/digital/magazine/0,9754,107313,00.html
>>>(less than 5 million computers for a billion+ people. apr30, 2001.
>>That argument goes nowhere, IMHO, and just feeds the anti-imigrant
>>image of the anti-H-1B forces.
>It demonstrates the wholesale fraud of the H1-B program!!.
> They have provided more so-called experts, than computers.
No Tim, 600,000 to 750,000 is actually LESS than 3 million. It's basic
arithmetic.
Amazing that even basic arithmetic must be explained to Tim.
--
***Posted by Jake's Custom Newsgroup Reader***
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Tim Keating wrote in message
...
>On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:49:00 -0400, alexy
>wrote:
>>Tim Keating wrote:
>>>However.. Somewhere between 600,000 to 750,000 of H1-B's have recently
>>>come from a country which around 7 million computers.
>>> So were did they get the flood of so-called experts??
>>> Answer... They didn't, They're not experts.
>>> Most of them can't even be classified as novices.
>>>http://www.socio.demon.-
>>>co.uk/magazine/7/venky.html
>>> (1.1 computers per 1000.. ~1.3 million computers, ~Jul 99).
>>>http://www.learnon.org/papers/Indi-
>>>a.pdf
>>>(3 million computers for a billion+ people, 2000.)
>>>http:-
>>>//www.time.com/time/asia/digital/magazine/0,9754,107313,00.html
>>>(less than 5 million computers for a billion+ people. apr30, 2001.
>>That argument goes nowhere, IMHO, and just feeds the anti-imigrant
>>image of the anti-H-1B forces.
>It demonstrates the wholesale fraud of the H1-B program!!.
> They have provided more so-called experts, than computers.
No Tim, 600,000 to 750,000 is actually LESS than 3 million. It's basic
arithmetic.
Amazing that even basic arithmetic must be explained to Tim.
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Oct 19th 2002, 2:12 am
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Re: 2002 Congressional Elections and the H-1B visa
"Tim Keating" wrote in message
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> On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:49:00 -0400, alexy
> wrote:
> >Tim Keating wrote:
> >
> >
> >>However.. Somewhere between 600,000 to 750,000 of H1-B's have recently
> >>come from a country which around 7 million computers.
> >>
> >> So were did they get the flood of so-called experts??
> >> Answer... They didn't, They're not experts.
> >> Most of them can't even be classified as novices.
> >>
> >>
> >>http://www.socio.demon-
> >>.co.uk/magazine/7/venky.html
> >> (1.1 computers per 1000.. ~1.3 million computers, ~Jul 99).
> >>
> >>http://www.learnon.org/papers/Ind-
> >>ia.pdf
> >>(3 million computers for a billion+ people, 2000.)
> >>
> >>http-
> >>://www.time.com/time/asia/digital/magazine/0,9754,107313,00.html
> >>(less than 5 million computers for a billion+ people. apr30, 2001.
> >That argument goes nowhere, IMHO, and just feeds the anti-imigrant
> >image of the anti-H-1B forces.
> It demonstrates the wholesale fraud of the H1-B program!!.
> They have provided more so-called experts, than computers.
No Tim. 600,000-750,000 is LESS than five million, not more. Basic
arithmetic, what a concept.
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711rucf3vivfj7qj55bngdu-[email protected]...
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:49:00 -0400, alexy
> wrote:
> >Tim Keating wrote:
> >
> >
> >>However.. Somewhere between 600,000 to 750,000 of H1-B's have recently
> >>come from a country which around 7 million computers.
> >>
> >> So were did they get the flood of so-called experts??
> >> Answer... They didn't, They're not experts.
> >> Most of them can't even be classified as novices.
> >>
> >>
> >>http://www.socio.demon-
> >>.co.uk/magazine/7/venky.html
> >> (1.1 computers per 1000.. ~1.3 million computers, ~Jul 99).
> >>
> >>http://www.learnon.org/papers/Ind-
> >>ia.pdf
> >>(3 million computers for a billion+ people, 2000.)
> >>
> >>http-
> >>://www.time.com/time/asia/digital/magazine/0,9754,107313,00.html
> >>(less than 5 million computers for a billion+ people. apr30, 2001.
> >That argument goes nowhere, IMHO, and just feeds the anti-imigrant
> >image of the anti-H-1B forces.
> It demonstrates the wholesale fraud of the H1-B program!!.
> They have provided more so-called experts, than computers.
No Tim. 600,000-750,000 is LESS than five million, not more. Basic
arithmetic, what a concept.
Oct 19th 2002, 2:31 am
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Re: 2002 Congressional Elections and the H-1B visa
Well, the guy doesn't want to allow US companies to hire whoever they want.
Why? Because the guy doesn't want to compete with *more* people. Note that
the question he was referring to is about *immigrants*, not temporary
workers.
BTW, the answer to your question is no.
"black sheep of da family" wrote in message
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> Carlos:
> Read the original post, read it again, and again, and again, until
> you understand that there is not enough information in that Post for
> you to conclude that poster, www.h1b.info is afraid of competition.
> btw, Are you an H1b that was trained by a citizen to allow you to
> compete for the trainers job?
> Just curious,
> -- blacky
> "Carlos Antunes" wrote in message
news:...
> > Afraid of competition, huh? What does that say about you, that you need
> > Government help to compete professionaly? Do you know how to spell
> > l-o-s-e-r?
> >
> >
> > "www.h1b.info" wrote in message
> > news:826bf607.021017-
> > [email protected] ...
> > > Find out which congressional candidates checked-off their support for
> > > the H-1B technical visa in the Project Vote Smart 2002 National
> > > Political Awareness Test (NPAT):
> > >
> > > http://www.vote-
> > > -smart.org/vote-smart/data.phtml?dtype=I
> > >
> > > Search for immigration question D:
> > >
> > > [X] d) Increase the immigration quota for computer scientists
> > > and other information technology workers.
> > >
> > > Only Congress can reduce or eliminate the H-1B program so make sure
> > > the candidates hear your opposition.
> > >
> > > ===
> > > http://www.h1b.info
> > > Learn how the H-1B technical visa program is costing American jobs and
> > > undercutting your wages.
Why? Because the guy doesn't want to compete with *more* people. Note that
the question he was referring to is about *immigrants*, not temporary
workers.
BTW, the answer to your question is no.
"black sheep of da family" wrote in message
news:8b082643.0210181335-
[email protected]...
> Carlos:
> Read the original post, read it again, and again, and again, until
> you understand that there is not enough information in that Post for
> you to conclude that poster, www.h1b.info is afraid of competition.
> btw, Are you an H1b that was trained by a citizen to allow you to
> compete for the trainers job?
> Just curious,
> -- blacky
> "Carlos Antunes" wrote in message
news:...
> > Afraid of competition, huh? What does that say about you, that you need
> > Government help to compete professionaly? Do you know how to spell
> > l-o-s-e-r?
> >
> >
> > "www.h1b.info" wrote in message
> > news:826bf607.021017-
> > [email protected] ...
> > > Find out which congressional candidates checked-off their support for
> > > the H-1B technical visa in the Project Vote Smart 2002 National
> > > Political Awareness Test (NPAT):
> > >
> > > http://www.vote-
> > > -smart.org/vote-smart/data.phtml?dtype=I
> > >
> > > Search for immigration question D:
> > >
> > > [X] d) Increase the immigration quota for computer scientists
> > > and other information technology workers.
> > >
> > > Only Congress can reduce or eliminate the H-1B program so make sure
> > > the candidates hear your opposition.
> > >
> > > ===
> > > http://www.h1b.info
> > > Learn how the H-1B technical visa program is costing American jobs and
> > > undercutting your wages.
Oct 19th 2002, 3:04 am
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Re: 2002 Congressional Elections and the H-1B visa
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 21:12:28 -0500, "John Jacobson"
posing with a fake ID of "Thus Spake Zarathustra"
wrote:
>"Tim Keating" wrote in message
>news711rucf3vivfj7qj55bngd-
>[email protected] ...
>> On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:49:00 -0400, alexy
>> wrote:
>> >Tim Keating wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>However.. Somewhere between 600,000 to 750,000 of H1-B's have recently
>> >>come from a country which around 7 million computers.
>> >>
>> >> So were did they get the flood of so-called experts??
>> >> Answer... They didn't, They're not experts.
>> >> Most of them can't even be classified as novices.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>http://www.socio.demo-
>> >>n.co.uk/magazine/7/venky.html
>> >> (1.1 computers per 1000.. ~1.3 million computers, ~Jul 99).
>> >>
>> >>http://www.learnon.org/papers/In-
>> >>dia.pdf
>> >>(3 million computers for a billion+ people, 2000.)
>> >>
>> >>htt-
>> >>p://www.time.com/time/asia/digital/magazine/0,9754,107313,00.html
>> >>(less than 5 million computers for a billion+ people. apr30, 2001.
>> >That argument goes nowhere, IMHO, and just feeds the anti-imigrant
>> >image of the anti-H-1B forces.
By Apr 30, 2001.. approx 2/3 to 5/8's of all H1-B's already imported.
>> It demonstrates the wholesale fraud of the H1-B program!!.
>> They have provided more so-called experts, than computers.
> No Tim. 600,000-750,000 is LESS than five million, not more. Basic
> arithmetic, what a concept.
Looks like JJ, thinks less than a years of experience/work with a
computer makes them an EXPERT. Alex.. has also fallen for the same
dumb concept. Instant EXPERTS... .. NOT... !!!!
Also don't forget a very small fraction of computers is used for
development.. One of the computers primary functions is to be a
labor saving tool for some end user application (its final mission).
Thus one should expect less than 1 in 10, maybe 1 in 30 computers
would be used for in a development role. All of sudden 1 million
becomes 100,000.. or 3 million.. 300,000.. or less.. way less...
So much for JJ's 7 years of training in statistical analysis..
As the bear trap snaps shut.. JJ never saw it coming..
posing with a fake ID of "Thus Spake Zarathustra"
wrote:
>"Tim Keating" wrote in message
>news
711rucf3vivfj7qj55bngd->[email protected] ...
>> On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:49:00 -0400, alexy
>> wrote:
>> >Tim Keating wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>However.. Somewhere between 600,000 to 750,000 of H1-B's have recently
>> >>come from a country which around 7 million computers.
>> >>
>> >> So were did they get the flood of so-called experts??
>> >> Answer... They didn't, They're not experts.
>> >> Most of them can't even be classified as novices.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>http://www.socio.demo-
>> >>n.co.uk/magazine/7/venky.html
>> >> (1.1 computers per 1000.. ~1.3 million computers, ~Jul 99).
>> >>
>> >>http://www.learnon.org/papers/In-
>> >>dia.pdf
>> >>(3 million computers for a billion+ people, 2000.)
>> >>
>> >>htt-
>> >>p://www.time.com/time/asia/digital/magazine/0,9754,107313,00.html
>> >>(less than 5 million computers for a billion+ people. apr30, 2001.
>> >That argument goes nowhere, IMHO, and just feeds the anti-imigrant
>> >image of the anti-H-1B forces.
By Apr 30, 2001.. approx 2/3 to 5/8's of all H1-B's already imported.
>> It demonstrates the wholesale fraud of the H1-B program!!.
>> They have provided more so-called experts, than computers.
> No Tim. 600,000-750,000 is LESS than five million, not more. Basic
> arithmetic, what a concept.
Looks like JJ, thinks less than a years of experience/work with a
computer makes them an EXPERT. Alex.. has also fallen for the same
dumb concept. Instant EXPERTS... .. NOT... !!!!
Also don't forget a very small fraction of computers is used for
development.. One of the computers primary functions is to be a
labor saving tool for some end user application (its final mission).
Thus one should expect less than 1 in 10, maybe 1 in 30 computers
would be used for in a development role. All of sudden 1 million
becomes 100,000.. or 3 million.. 300,000.. or less.. way less...
So much for JJ's 7 years of training in statistical analysis..
As the bear trap snaps shut.. JJ never saw it coming..