“Willing to bear arms”

Old Jun 30th 2020, 11:58 pm
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What happens if you tick No on this part of the N-400? Can you say you’re a pacifist so it goes against your moral beliefs? And then tick yes for non-combant/civilian services?
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You'd be doing this to make a point, because the chances of you being forced to bear arms on behalf of the US is, these days, infinitesimally small.
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You'd be doing this to make a point, because the chances of you being forced to bear arms on behalf of the US is, these days, infinitesimally small.
Well you can "become" a pacifist/ conciencous objector at any time, so even if you genuinely would be willing to join the US military at the time you applied to become a citizen, you would be perfectly free to change your mind at any time in future and without notice.
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Fair points guys, thankyou
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my son was asked if he would be "willing to commit acts of violence to defend the United States" at his naturalization interview.
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Sticks and stones?
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To be fair, you have to agree to give up allegiance to any foreign King or Potentate too, and most of us have kept our British Citizenship.
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To be fair, you have to agree to give up allegiance to any foreign King or Potentate too, and most of us have kept our British Citizenship.
Renounce and abjure.
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Forgive me for not looking up the specific wording, but the meaning is clear
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Words have meanings
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Renounce - 'Formally declare ones abandonment'

Abjure - 'Solemnly renounce a belief, cause or claim'

I don't see that what I stated is contrary to either of those.

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I never expressed allegiance so nothing to abandon,never had a belief cause or claim.
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So your argument is that you never had to express an allegiance to the Crown in order to gain British citizenship (which you are quite correct you don't have too, since it is inferred at birth) and therefore you don't think that the oath expressly says that you are giving up said Citizenship?

I've never really seen it put like that, but it makes a degree of sense.
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To be fair, you have to agree to give up allegiance to any foreign King or Potentate too, and most of us have kept our British Citizenship.
I nearly posted that exact thought myself.
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At birth and any time later.
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